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Neighbours angry at DS for snapping back and daughter’s homophobia - hypocrisy??

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TheNoisyDeer · 07/07/2026 20:33

DS, 13, came out in Year 6 at the age of 10 and he has struggled with making friends ever since. His boy friends always used to make him the butt of the joke so he stopped being friends with them. He has a couple of female friends now but he still feels like he can’t be himself around them because they give him the side eye when they talk about boys and he talks about boys too. Due to this he feels on the defence when his sexuality is spoken about.

I invited our neighbours over earlier this evening for chat and drinks in the sunshine and the younger girl, 8, overheard her sister (the older daughter), 11, talking to DS about their crushes. She laughed at him, made a few comments about it being weird and called him a “gay boy”. I don’t know whether she’d picked it up from school or somewhere, but DS was clearly upset. He snapped and called her “a stupid bitch” and to “f off”.

There was immediate anger from her parents because she’s only 8 and they said there was no excuse for speaking to a young girl like that and demanded I tell him off. The older daughter also took her side and shouted at him to not talk to her sister like that. He looked startled, humiliated and ran inside.

I went inside and spoke to him about the language he used and said it wasn’t acceptable, especially to a girl that young, but I also told him I understood why he was hurt and that nobody should mock someone’s sexuality. DS said he didn’t care how old she was because she’d been horrible to him first and then refused to go back outside and apologise. I explained this to my neighbours and the mum said she wanted to leave and won’t put up with her daughters being spoken to in that manner and they left.

Ideally I would have expected the children to apologise to each other, preferably her first as she started it and then moved on but I was shocked by their reaction to just leave. We’ve been good friends for years and now I feel hurt by their lack of accountability for the homophobia and hypocrisy. I wouldn’t like the friendship to end but I won’t be bowing down to them.

AIBU for thinking both children were in the wrong but both the daughter and parents are more so?

OP posts:
KateSixer · 09/07/2026 16:27

You have completely misunderstood and misrepresentated the reasonable points that myself and others have been making.

Firing off completely unjustified allegations of homophobia in response to reasonable and informed comments diminishes both you as a person and the feelings of those genuinely suffering from abuse based on their sexuality.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 16:15

KateSixer · 09/07/2026 16:12

You see it as arrogance and homophobia. You have been brainwashed.

It's common sense based on knowledge and experience!!

Ye this is blatant homophobia

People have not been brainwashed because they support their children. Plenty of people know at a young age they are gay. Deny that causes them all kinds of issues.

KateSixer · 09/07/2026 16:12

You see it as arrogance and homophobia. You have been brainwashed.

It's common sense based on knowledge and experience!!

Her53ff43 · 09/07/2026 16:06

KateSixer · 09/07/2026 09:16

I would agree with this. In fact I'd say wait not just until they have gone through puberty but to wait until they have had personal experiences after puberty. After all there are plenty of people who don't get around to deciding their sexuality until middle age. It's a spectrum remember.

It's very topical right now with proposed legislation to ban "gay conversion" but there is an equal if not greater possibility that well meaning but misguided parents desparately trying to be "modern" damage their children by being too encouraging of coming out as gay at an early age. This is one area of life parents can't assist with (other than passive support).

Parents are not being “modern”, they’re supporting their children and know what is best for them. Who are you to lecture or dictate how other parents parent when a) it’s not your child and b) you haven’t walked in their shoes? The arrogance and closet homophobia is staggering.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 14:36

hahabahbag · 09/07/2026 14:27

A longstanding friend of my DD’s (who I’ve known since he was 7) calls himself a gay boy, he’s 26. It’s only offensive if it say it in a negative way, and at 8 she can’t be accused of that. Never right to be so hateful to a child

It was combined with laughing and calling him weird
That's pretty negative....

hahabahbag · 09/07/2026 14:27

A longstanding friend of my DD’s (who I’ve known since he was 7) calls himself a gay boy, he’s 26. It’s only offensive if it say it in a negative way, and at 8 she can’t be accused of that. Never right to be so hateful to a child

Lins77 · 09/07/2026 14:27

I was agreeing with you 😄

Sorry that didn't come across.

@Wickedlittledancer

Wickedlittledancer · 09/07/2026 14:24

Lins77 · 09/07/2026 14:21

I don't think anyone sits their young child down to issue a list of proscribed terms.

Children can hear things in many contexts - school, neighbours, strangers on the street - you deal with it as and when it comes up. Of course always teaching basic respect for others and that it's not nice to call names.

Exactly, but the poster said her kids knew not to use the term gay boy at 8. I was asking them how, that’s what it means when you quote someone, with all due respect I was not asking you on how it normally works, I’m fully aware. But thanks anyway, the question still stands to the poster, as you said you deal with that when it comes up, and at 7 or 8 gay boy or homophobic slurs had not come up in our home.

Lins77 · 09/07/2026 14:21

Wickedlittledancer · 09/07/2026 13:48

How did your kids know not to use it if you didn’t, did you sit them down at 7 and give a list of terms not to be used?

we didn’t use that term but I couldn’t say by child knew at 8 not to use it as quit3 simply at that age we had not discussed homophobia or associated slurs with her. I find it odd you did,

I don't think anyone sits their young child down to issue a list of proscribed terms.

Children can hear things in many contexts - school, neighbours, strangers on the street - you deal with it as and when it comes up. Of course always teaching basic respect for others and that it's not nice to call names.

Wickedlittledancer · 09/07/2026 13:48

DontEatTheMushies · 09/07/2026 13:25

I cba reading the whole thing...but my kids at 8 knew not to call people gay boy. Primarily as it wasn't a term we used - and not as a label etc. If she had said "do you like boys too" or "Does that mean you are a gay boy" that would be been ok, but "gay boy" does sound like a dig - and her parents should have told her that you don't sat that to people. 8yr olds are not as daft as people make them out to be.

As for folk commenting about it being weird he talked about his crushes, WTF, if girls can then he can to - they need to get over it.

But, yeah, he needs to learn not to kick off. Maybe teach him to start with EXCUSE ME?? What did you mean by that....then id they back it up as being phobic - kick in with the rest of it.

How did your kids know not to use it if you didn’t, did you sit them down at 7 and give a list of terms not to be used?

we didn’t use that term but I couldn’t say by child knew at 8 not to use it as quit3 simply at that age we had not discussed homophobia or associated slurs with her. I find it odd you did,

DontEatTheMushies · 09/07/2026 13:25

I cba reading the whole thing...but my kids at 8 knew not to call people gay boy. Primarily as it wasn't a term we used - and not as a label etc. If she had said "do you like boys too" or "Does that mean you are a gay boy" that would be been ok, but "gay boy" does sound like a dig - and her parents should have told her that you don't sat that to people. 8yr olds are not as daft as people make them out to be.

As for folk commenting about it being weird he talked about his crushes, WTF, if girls can then he can to - they need to get over it.

But, yeah, he needs to learn not to kick off. Maybe teach him to start with EXCUSE ME?? What did you mean by that....then id they back it up as being phobic - kick in with the rest of it.

OneFunLilacLemur · 09/07/2026 13:22

Imagine accusing an 8 year old of homophobia 😂😂😂 and imagine thinking your 13 year old knows his sexuality at this age. Get a grip

Tableforjoan · 09/07/2026 13:16

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 10:53

You suggested being thought to be a lesbian would ruin your life
Which is ridiculous

Ah that brings back memories of a group of boys in school calling me lizzie the lesbian.

Very immature. Though my equally immature response was that I’d still get more Fanny than them 😅

I can safety say the tag in school by some muppets had zero impact on my life though.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 13:09

Onmytod24 · 09/07/2026 11:06

for donkeys years with secondary boys

So you should be aware they don't work in silence and don't always think about if they are overheard ...

Cosyblankets · 09/07/2026 12:42

Onmytod24 · 09/07/2026 11:06

for donkeys years with secondary boys

Then I can't understand why you don't think it's normal. The poster said they run an activity. Surely the kids will be allowed to talk at some point during this time

HarrietPierce · 09/07/2026 12:02

Ablondiebutagoody
"It is unreasonable to expect small children to understand choices he's made about his sexuality. "

How the hell does anyone in 2026 think that being gay is a choice? Good God Better send him off for conversion therapy.

Onmytod24 · 09/07/2026 11:06

Cosyblankets · 09/07/2026 10:52

Have you worked with this age group?

for donkeys years with secondary boys

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 11:06

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 10:56

I really doubt this happened - nobody is this blinkered about sexualising children and about the difference between an 8 and a 13 year old!

Why's everyone bringing sex into it, though?
Me and my mates talked about crushes between the age of 11 and 13.
(The 8 year old in this scenario wasn't part of the conversation, had just overheard)
It wasn't sexual conversations at all - just who you fancied. Which is in my experience totally normal at that age!

Because the ones who are screaming about it being sexualised are the ones actually sexualising

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 11:04

KateSixer · 09/07/2026 10:56

@DjokovicsTowel in an idealised perfect world bullying wouldn't happen. In the flawed reality we inhabit of course it does.

So if you don't prepare your children accordingly then you are not preparing them properly!

There's a difference between "Kids might bully" and "it's an imperial fact that kids will bully you because you are different to them and you must accept that as fact"

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 10:56

HaveYouFedTheFish · 08/07/2026 21:07

This level of talking about "crushes" to 11 year olds, in front of both sets of parents and an 8 year old, is not normal regardless of sexuality.

13 year olds do not normally tell neighbor 11 year olds about "their crushes" whilst sitting with parents and younger siblings.

The 13 year old sounds as though his sexuality has been made into his only identity ever since he was a pre teen.

A 13 year old and an 8 year old are developmentally so far apart that the idea of a 13 year old having any excuse for calling an 8 year old a "bitch" and telling her to fuck off is even less developmentally sound than thinking a 13 year old and a developmentally average adult should be held equally responsible if they get into a fist fight.

I really doubt this happened - nobody is this blinkered about sexualising children and about the difference between an 8 and a 13 year old!

I really doubt this happened - nobody is this blinkered about sexualising children and about the difference between an 8 and a 13 year old!

Why's everyone bringing sex into it, though?
Me and my mates talked about crushes between the age of 11 and 13.
(The 8 year old in this scenario wasn't part of the conversation, had just overheard)
It wasn't sexual conversations at all - just who you fancied. Which is in my experience totally normal at that age!

KateSixer · 09/07/2026 10:56

@DjokovicsTowel in an idealised perfect world bullying wouldn't happen. In the flawed reality we inhabit of course it does.

So if you don't prepare your children accordingly then you are not preparing them properly!

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 10:53

QuintadosMalvados · 09/07/2026 10:26

Nope.
It's about accepting that bullying will always be something children do to other children.

I feel that you should accept this because it's reality.

No this is just vile

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 10:53

QuintadosMalvados · 09/07/2026 10:21

You've misread it.
I said the, 'label of being a lesbian attached to me.
If you read it correctly, you'd see the point I was making had nothing to do with homophobia at all.
Rather that boys I like would, out of respect, not ask me out because of it.

So I suggest you take more time to read than accusing others homophobia.

You suggested being thought to be a lesbian would ruin your life
Which is ridiculous

court18 · 09/07/2026 10:53

court18 · 09/07/2026 10:52

Absolutely agree.

instead OP has made the mistake of endorsing abusive behaviour as a response. I guess we are so used to seeing aggression and violence from activists these days that it seems mild in comparison, but it’s not, especially when you consider she’s 8.

Opportunity to educate and reframe the debate completely missed.

Sorry meant I agreed with @ohdear2 brilliant post

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 10:52

Onmytod24 · 09/07/2026 10:16

So they’re not doing the activity that you teach they’re sitting around talking about who they fancy. In front of you that doesn’t ring true for me

They talk about all sorts whilst doing activities, sometimes that is who they fancy. I'm not actively sat with them all the time but can hear them. How is that unbelievable?