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Neighbours angry at DS for snapping back and daughter’s homophobia - hypocrisy??

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TheNoisyDeer · 07/07/2026 20:33

DS, 13, came out in Year 6 at the age of 10 and he has struggled with making friends ever since. His boy friends always used to make him the butt of the joke so he stopped being friends with them. He has a couple of female friends now but he still feels like he can’t be himself around them because they give him the side eye when they talk about boys and he talks about boys too. Due to this he feels on the defence when his sexuality is spoken about.

I invited our neighbours over earlier this evening for chat and drinks in the sunshine and the younger girl, 8, overheard her sister (the older daughter), 11, talking to DS about their crushes. She laughed at him, made a few comments about it being weird and called him a “gay boy”. I don’t know whether she’d picked it up from school or somewhere, but DS was clearly upset. He snapped and called her “a stupid bitch” and to “f off”.

There was immediate anger from her parents because she’s only 8 and they said there was no excuse for speaking to a young girl like that and demanded I tell him off. The older daughter also took her side and shouted at him to not talk to her sister like that. He looked startled, humiliated and ran inside.

I went inside and spoke to him about the language he used and said it wasn’t acceptable, especially to a girl that young, but I also told him I understood why he was hurt and that nobody should mock someone’s sexuality. DS said he didn’t care how old she was because she’d been horrible to him first and then refused to go back outside and apologise. I explained this to my neighbours and the mum said she wanted to leave and won’t put up with her daughters being spoken to in that manner and they left.

Ideally I would have expected the children to apologise to each other, preferably her first as she started it and then moved on but I was shocked by their reaction to just leave. We’ve been good friends for years and now I feel hurt by their lack of accountability for the homophobia and hypocrisy. I wouldn’t like the friendship to end but I won’t be bowing down to them.

AIBU for thinking both children were in the wrong but both the daughter and parents are more so?

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localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:48

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 21:31

Loads of kids talk about who they fancy, it's not sexual
And you're now basically saying being gay is all about sex...

You're not even hiding your homophobia any more

That's a twist worthy of a Victorian contortionist.

I think you are either a troll or simply bored. No one is this contrary.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:47

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 21:36

How is he thinking about sex?! He's literally just said who he fancies!
I fancied boys at the age of 13. I don't think sex even entered my thinking, it was entirely innocent.
Oh, and since when is a 13 year old a near adult?!

I have a 13 year old. In a whole class of 13 year olds (his mates) only one has a "girlfiend" and its big news. None of them is discussing who they fancy.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:45

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 21:31

Loads of kids talk about who they fancy, it's not sexual
And you're now basically saying being gay is all about sex...

You're not even hiding your homophobia any more

Being gay is a sexual orientation, last time I looked.

Its not an ideology or choice or fashion or religion.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:00

Firefly1987 · 09/07/2026 21:47

He's a lot closer to adulthood than the 8 year old is.

And yet he's NOT an adult in any way, shape or form

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 21:50

Firefly1987 · 09/07/2026 21:47

He's a lot closer to adulthood than the 8 year old is.

So? Not sure what point's supposed to make?
(Seeing as the 8 year old wasn't part of their conversation?)

Firefly1987 · 09/07/2026 21:47

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:50

And now this 13 year old is now a fully grown man 🤣

He's a lot closer to adulthood than the 8 year old is.

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 21:36

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:46

Being gay/ being bullied for being gay in not a "get out of prison" card. You adhere to the rules, as everyone else does.

Also - there is a huge difference in terms of intelligence, understanding and ability between an 8 year old and a 13 year old. If the boy is thinking about sex already I would imagine he hit puberty some time ago - so basically an almost fully grown male having a go at a small child. Charming.

How is he thinking about sex?! He's literally just said who he fancies!
I fancied boys at the age of 13. I don't think sex even entered my thinking, it was entirely innocent.
Oh, and since when is a 13 year old a near adult?!

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 21:31

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:57

Erm he was talking about who he fancied? And "came out" as gay at the age when most kids have zero interest in anything sexual?

Loads of kids talk about who they fancy, it's not sexual
And you're now basically saying being gay is all about sex...

You're not even hiding your homophobia any more

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 21:30

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:56

I'm sorry but the world is a tough place and if you get lasting damage from something a small child said I suggest you need to work on your resilience.

Ah and there we go

Blatant now

Her53ff43 · 09/07/2026 21:15

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:57

Erm he was talking about who he fancied? And "came out" as gay at the age when most kids have zero interest in anything sexual?

Children are developing crushes at 10. That’s common.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:57

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:50

Nothing suggests he was thinking about sex other than MNers desperate to justify their homophobia and hatred of men

Erm he was talking about who he fancied? And "came out" as gay at the age when most kids have zero interest in anything sexual?

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:56

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:49

I'm not at all.

You're suggesting words are fine on their own. I'm just pointing out they aren't and cause their own damage

I'm sorry but the world is a tough place and if you get lasting damage from something a small child said I suggest you need to work on your resilience.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:55

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Nope. One type of shitty behaviour doesn't cancel the other.

Her53ff43 · 09/07/2026 20:51

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DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:50

And now this 13 year old is now a fully grown man 🤣

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:50

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:46

Being gay/ being bullied for being gay in not a "get out of prison" card. You adhere to the rules, as everyone else does.

Also - there is a huge difference in terms of intelligence, understanding and ability between an 8 year old and a 13 year old. If the boy is thinking about sex already I would imagine he hit puberty some time ago - so basically an almost fully grown male having a go at a small child. Charming.

Nothing suggests he was thinking about sex other than MNers desperate to justify their homophobia and hatred of men

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:49

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:42

You are deliberately twisting and ignoring what I tried to say in my original post. TBH your debating style is suffocating.

I'm not at all.

You're suggesting words are fine on their own. I'm just pointing out they aren't and cause their own damage

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:46

Being gay/ being bullied for being gay in not a "get out of prison" card. You adhere to the rules, as everyone else does.

Also - there is a huge difference in terms of intelligence, understanding and ability between an 8 year old and a 13 year old. If the boy is thinking about sex already I would imagine he hit puberty some time ago - so basically an almost fully grown male having a go at a small child. Charming.

Tableforjoan · 09/07/2026 20:45

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:44

Didn't you know that once you announce a sexuality you're never allowed to change it? And if you get called something you're not, it doesn't matter its now your sexuality and ruins your life?

At least according to MNers

Going to have to send a few texts to a few school mums that they need to get back with their ex husbands 🙃🤣

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:44

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 20:35

Where has anyone in this scenario "made an absolute statement about their sexual orientation" though?!
He's literally just said who he fancied and in the context of the conversation.

Didn't you know that once you announce a sexuality you're never allowed to change it? And if you get called something you're not, it doesn't matter its now your sexuality and ruins your life?

At least according to MNers

localnotail · 09/07/2026 20:42

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 10:09

Both can leave lasting scars
You're being very dismissive of emotional abuse and bullying

You are deliberately twisting and ignoring what I tried to say in my original post. TBH your debating style is suffocating.

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 20:35

QuintadosMalvados · 09/07/2026 20:18

Accusations of homophobia are not only unfounded, they're ridiculous.

A 10-year-old child has not yet reached the age where they can make absolute statements about their sexual orientation. This is just common sense.

I'm going to leave this thread, too.
Not without saying that this is the most eye-openingly ridiculous thread I've seen here.

The vilification of an 8-year-child is f*ing shocking, too.

Where has anyone in this scenario "made an absolute statement about their sexual orientation" though?!
He's literally just said who he fancied and in the context of the conversation.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 20:29

Why the hell are so many people suggesting that once you make a declaration on your sexuality, you cannot ever change it?
Plenty of people think they're straight and come out much later, some people will come out as gay/lesbian but later realise they align more to bi or pan

QuintadosMalvados · 09/07/2026 20:18

Lins77 · 09/07/2026 17:51

It absolutely doesn't have to be, and for most it isn't, but for some it does seem to be. No harm in that, I guess. We all have things that we feel define us.

Anyway, stepping away from the conversation now, as I'm clearly not articulating myself well. I'm trying to express my thoughts in a balanced way but it doesn't seem to be landing as intended.

I'll just add that I marched against S28 and volunteered with an HIV/Aids charity in the 80s, and have consistently argued against homophobia and discrimination throughout my life, so I feel the accusations of homophobia being made here are unfounded.

Accusations of homophobia are not only unfounded, they're ridiculous.

A 10-year-old child has not yet reached the age where they can make absolute statements about their sexual orientation. This is just common sense.

I'm going to leave this thread, too.
Not without saying that this is the most eye-openingly ridiculous thread I've seen here.

The vilification of an 8-year-child is f*ing shocking, too.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 19:55

Anyone who excuses bullying people who are different as "that's just life" and expects people to hide their differences in fear of said bullying is showing their prejudice