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Neighbours angry at DS for snapping back and daughter’s homophobia - hypocrisy??

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TheNoisyDeer · 07/07/2026 20:33

DS, 13, came out in Year 6 at the age of 10 and he has struggled with making friends ever since. His boy friends always used to make him the butt of the joke so he stopped being friends with them. He has a couple of female friends now but he still feels like he can’t be himself around them because they give him the side eye when they talk about boys and he talks about boys too. Due to this he feels on the defence when his sexuality is spoken about.

I invited our neighbours over earlier this evening for chat and drinks in the sunshine and the younger girl, 8, overheard her sister (the older daughter), 11, talking to DS about their crushes. She laughed at him, made a few comments about it being weird and called him a “gay boy”. I don’t know whether she’d picked it up from school or somewhere, but DS was clearly upset. He snapped and called her “a stupid bitch” and to “f off”.

There was immediate anger from her parents because she’s only 8 and they said there was no excuse for speaking to a young girl like that and demanded I tell him off. The older daughter also took her side and shouted at him to not talk to her sister like that. He looked startled, humiliated and ran inside.

I went inside and spoke to him about the language he used and said it wasn’t acceptable, especially to a girl that young, but I also told him I understood why he was hurt and that nobody should mock someone’s sexuality. DS said he didn’t care how old she was because she’d been horrible to him first and then refused to go back outside and apologise. I explained this to my neighbours and the mum said she wanted to leave and won’t put up with her daughters being spoken to in that manner and they left.

Ideally I would have expected the children to apologise to each other, preferably her first as she started it and then moved on but I was shocked by their reaction to just leave. We’ve been good friends for years and now I feel hurt by their lack of accountability for the homophobia and hypocrisy. I wouldn’t like the friendship to end but I won’t be bowing down to them.

AIBU for thinking both children were in the wrong but both the daughter and parents are more so?

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SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 23:11

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 23:10

This post seems harsh to me.

Coming out at 10,- not odd to have crushes at 10. Coming out is different- for older teens .

telling everyone about his crushes (including young children)

  • if he has crushes, why shouldn't he talk to friends about them? 8yo is fairly close in age to 10, it's not like he' talking to a 2yo. And crushes are very innocent at this age.

then huge outbursts when he gets a reaction he doesn't like followed along by a mother who thinks people should be apologising to him and never discriminating against him.

  • he shouldn't be discriminated against, and the gurl was wrong to tease. But he was more wrong to swear like that.

Unfortunately this is the real world and he'll always get called names, especially if he's making a point of going on about it.- always get called names? Do you think homophobia is still that prevalent?

And talking about crushes to friends isn't 'going on', no one should get bullied for that.

DS was totally out of order though. That kind of language at 11 is worrying.

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The DS was 13

Jane379 · 09/07/2026 23:10

CoralOP · 07/07/2026 22:07

It seems like your son will have a lifetime of trouble with his reactions.
Coming out at 10, telling everyone about his crushes (including young children) then huge outbursts when he gets a reaction he doesn't like followed along by a mother who thinks people should be apologising to him and never discriminating against him.
Unfortunately this is the real world and he'll always get called names, especially if he's making a point of going on about it.
Society has moved on a hell of a lot but if he screams and swears everytime someone calls him a name he's going to be a mess by the time he's an adult.

This post seems harsh to me.

Coming out at 10,- not odd to have crushes at 10. Coming out is different- for older teens .

telling everyone about his crushes (including young children)

  • if he has crushes, why shouldn't he talk to friends about them? 8yo is fairly close in age to 10, it's not like he' talking to a 2yo. And crushes are very innocent at this age.

then huge outbursts when he gets a reaction he doesn't like followed along by a mother who thinks people should be apologising to him and never discriminating against him.

  • he shouldn't be discriminated against, and the gurl was wrong to tease. But he was more wrong to swear like that.

Unfortunately this is the real world and he'll always get called names, especially if he's making a point of going on about it.- always get called names? Do you think homophobia is still that prevalent?

And talking about crushes to friends isn't 'going on', no one should get bullied for that.

DS was totally out of order though. That kind of language at 11 is worrying.

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 23:09

localnotail · 09/07/2026 23:04

To be honest, you are probably right. Though sex between young teens in not unheard of... Thinking back to my first "love" (though I was 15 I think) I would have been terrified if my "crush" made a move )))

I just look at my own 13 year old and he has zero interest in anything romance or crush related. But I get that kids mature at different speed.

Same, I knew I fancied boys at 13, but I'd have been far too shy and run a mile if any had approached me 😂

localnotail · 09/07/2026 23:09

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 23:06

Asexuals and aromantics exist. Sex and romance are related but they are also different

Just because you need romance to be sexually attracted does not mean everyone does. That's why one night stands, FWB etc exist

You asked me, I answered. I only can speak for myself.

I dont get asexual or aromantic, to me its simply "friendship" - and I can be friends with either sex. I would be happy to be in a "relationship" with a woman if I did not have to have sex with her as I would not be able to do that. Does it make me gay?

localnotail · 09/07/2026 23:07

I get that OP's son is going through tough times, he is still very young and is struggling with people accepting his sexuality; however, none of this excuses his treatment of a very small girl who probably also has homophobic parents.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 23:06

localnotail · 09/07/2026 23:00

Romantic as in what? Are you telling me romance and sex are not connected? When you feel attracted to someone, what does it mean to you?

Edited: On the contrary, I never have sex with someone I'm not romantically attracted to. Also, I would not be interested in someone if I did not feel at least some sexual attraction.

Edited

Asexuals and aromantics exist. Sex and romance are related but they are also different

Just because you need romance to be sexually attracted does not mean everyone does. That's why one night stands, FWB etc exist

localnotail · 09/07/2026 23:04

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 23:01

Yes, I understand that they're attracted to the same sex.
Why are you thinking it's all about sex between 11 -13 years old though?!
That's the weird bit. You realise at that age you can have innocent crushes that don't involve thinking about sex, right?!
It's perfectly normal to start to know whether you're attracted to boys or girls at that age.

To be honest, you are probably right. Though sex between young teens in not unheard of... Thinking back to my first "love" (though I was 15 I think) I would have been terrified if my "crush" made a move )))

I just look at my own 13 year old and he has zero interest in anything romance or crush related. But I get that kids mature at different speed.

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 23:01

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:57

I'm sorry to tell you this but being gay is literally about your sexual preference and not much else. Gay people are exactly like straight people with the only difference being they are sexually attracted to the same sex.

Yes, I understand that they're attracted to the same sex.
Why are you thinking it's all about sex between 11 -13 years old though?!
That's the weird bit. You realise at that age you can have innocent crushes that don't involve thinking about sex, right?!
It's perfectly normal to start to know whether you're attracted to boys or girls at that age.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 23:00

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:59

Actually no, it's not just sexual. It's about romantic interest as well. Or do you think relationships are only sexual???

Romantic as in what? Are you telling me romance and sex are not connected? When you feel attracted to someone, what does it mean to you?

Edited: On the contrary, I never have sex with someone I'm not romantically attracted to. Also, I would not be interested in someone if I did not feel at least some sexual attraction.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:59

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:57

I'm sorry to tell you this but being gay is literally about your sexual preference and not much else. Gay people are exactly like straight people with the only difference being they are sexually attracted to the same sex.

Actually no, it's not just sexual. It's about romantic interest as well. Or do you think relationships are only sexual???

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:58

Firefly1987 · 09/07/2026 22:56

Seeing as so many posters seem to be treating the 8 year old like a grown homophobic adult.

No one is treating her like an adult

She said something homophobic and she is old enough to know laughing and calling people weird is hurtful even if she can't fully comprehend homophobia

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:57

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 22:54

You're the one who's banging on about sex, though.
The pp has a point.

I'm sorry to tell you this but being gay is literally about your sexual preference and not much else. Gay people are exactly like straight people with the only difference being they are sexually attracted to the same sex.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:56

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 22:54

You're the one who's banging on about sex, though.
The pp has a point.

It's like they can't see they are the ones sexualising kids by thinking talking about crushes is sexual

Firefly1987 · 09/07/2026 22:56

SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 21:50

So? Not sure what point's supposed to make?
(Seeing as the 8 year old wasn't part of their conversation?)

Seeing as so many posters seem to be treating the 8 year old like a grown homophobic adult.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:55

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:54

Kind of know as I read his messages. Yes, I'm that kind of mum.

Do you also sit in his lessons? Listen in when he talks to his friends whilst playing? Go to all his clubs?

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:55

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:53

Are you like this in real life? Someone says something you dont like or dont agree with and you immediately accuse them of homophobia? Must be very tiring.

Only when what they say is homophobic

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SeaAndSangria · 09/07/2026 22:54

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:48

That's a twist worthy of a Victorian contortionist.

I think you are either a troll or simply bored. No one is this contrary.

You're the one who's banging on about sex, though.
The pp has a point.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:54

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:53

He's friends with all his entire year?

And you don't know what they talk about when you're not there

Kind of know as I read his messages. Yes, I'm that kind of mum.

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:53

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:51

How is it taking over their whole life? Other than homophobes who've decided being gay means it's your whole personality and that once you say you're gay you can never change your mind???

(And by change your mind I mean realise you identify more with something else)

Edited

Are you like this in real life? Someone says something you dont like or dont agree with and you immediately accuse them of homophobia? Must be very tiring.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:53

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:47

I have a 13 year old. In a whole class of 13 year olds (his mates) only one has a "girlfiend" and its big news. None of them is discussing who they fancy.

He's friends with all his entire year?

And you don't know what they talk about when you're not there

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:51

Well you are being accusatory, offensive and rude. And you struggle with comprehension. Its obvious.

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:51

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:49

To the extent it takes over their life? I think its not very common.

How is it taking over their whole life? Other than homophobes who've decided being gay means it's your whole personality and that once you say you're gay you can never change your mind???

(And by change your mind I mean realise you identify more with something else)

DjokovicsTowel · 09/07/2026 22:50

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:48

That's a twist worthy of a Victorian contortionist.

I think you are either a troll or simply bored. No one is this contrary.

You can keep trying to shut me down with your attempts to make me seem unreasonable

But you are being blatantly homophobic and it's obvious

localnotail · 09/07/2026 22:49

Her53ff43 · 09/07/2026 21:15

Children are developing crushes at 10. That’s common.

To the extent it takes over their life? I think its not very common.