Is this racism?

This. ^

Oh I switched off with the her word salads.

It isn't worth your time.

Racism, no well they might have been racist but impossible to tell. Just 2 selfish, self absorbed people who wanted to be served first. Unfortunately there’s a lot like them.

This is the story. You stood your ground. A very normal pub situation. There's always a tosser.

Making a normal interaction like this into a racist incident does racism a disservice. You have told us nothing that suggests racism was involved. Unconscious bias because you were a woman by yourself, perhaps.

Everyone is a racist and a fascist if you don't fall in line with the likes of @MissBeans83 dated attitude. Don't get me started on seeing, yet again, the notion that black people can't be racist. For these people who claim be educated, I really do wish they would study the relevant legal position on racism. All very well doing these City and Guilds diversity courses. That makes you a level 2 novice.

Utter rage bait. So white people can't cheer black footballers when they score goals? Damned if we do damned if we don't. The fact that OP used that particular example shows just who really does want a divide. Bore off.

woah there trigger - I've not read all the posts to this point.

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

You don't speak for me. I don't a shit what colour skin is in the majority / minority here in the UK - If we are here legally then we have as much right to be here as anyone else.

Can you specify exactly where the racist element in OPs interaction was?

If she has assumed racism because they looked at her face then that means she will interpret literally every negative interaction where her face is visible as racism.

Which is quite similar to pp accused the entire population of the U.K. of being racist. Which is also a ludicrous position to hold.

Exactly. It did actually upset me the first few times that happened but now I really don’t care what people like that say. I was called a racist and a fascist the other day for saying that I’d like a conversation about immigration.

The thing is, I know I’m not a racist (or a fascist 🤣 - my kids may disagree when rooms need tidying) and all these people achieve is to demonstrate their complete lack of argument and propensity for bullying.

It’s interesting that you have done all this DEI training and hold your particular set of ‘interesting’ views on racism.

I think that’s a perfect demonstration of where DEI has gone badly wrong and why we are in such a bad situation now.

Is anyone debating the actual topic any more or have most of you just resigned to trading insults with one another?

Christ, you all have more in common with each other than you have differences. There are human beings behind these screens!

Oh goodness your quite something. Does the 83 relate to your birth year. If so are you really 43 ?

Crack on if it makes you feel better.
Stamp your feet even 😂

No idea.
Don't read the Daily Mail.
Next.

Self denial won't help you.

Be calm, take a deep breath, try to read and understand and then, if you have a counter argument, offer it up.

I can hear that you are frustrated in not being able to get your point across and of course, this is understandable. Don't blame yourself-even the most articulate people would struggle to defend your stance.

When a DEI sound bite pops into your head ,before you type it out, do the following:

1. Ask yourself does this soundbite make sense? Will it refute some of the points put forward by those with whom I disagree?

2. If the answer is, "No", then let it go.

3. If the answer is yes, ask yourself can you expand it into a coherent argument that might make people re-think.

4. If so, write it out calmly and without insulting other posters, stalking other posters or making silly "Gotcha!" points.

5. Wait for replies and, if you have time or can be bothered, reply calmly.

I hope this helps you. I fear it will only lead to a flabby arsed reply from you. Sadly, I won't see it as I must return to work so feel free to go ahead with that and bask in the warm glow that you will have had the last word.

Why are you surprised? The racists on here outdo themselves by actually defending it.

Made even more amusing by paragraph after paragraph of ramblings of "what about us white folk becoming a minority".

Very unlikely to be race - this happens to me all the time and I’m white British. It’s just that some people - of all races - are very rude and try it on whenever they can. Some elderly people also feel entitled to push ahead of queues due to their age. I had this at the airport - old white British couple pushed in front of me and my toddler (they moved her
bag out of their way and pushed ahead! It was ridiculous!) and when I remonstrated with them they pretended I was actually trying to unfairly go ahead of them ‘because I had small children’. There are low lives everywhere, unfortunately OP.

Is this comprehension failure or deliberate misinterpretation?

Do you understand the difference between not being bothered about being called racist and not being bothered about being racist?

It may be too subtle a distinction for you, but most people will understand it.

Nobody is tarring all people of colour with the same brush.

Pointing out the systemic failings where many people have been harmed or even murdered because those in authority are worried about being seen as racist so treat them differently is a perfectly valid view backed by evidence.

So your define white people doing something which is acceptable if non-white people do it as racism? Interesting and revealing.

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

I feel astounded by the responses here - everything the op described sounds exactly like racism to me (and we can call it micro but it feels pretty bloody big to the victims) Don’t any of you have any compassion? Humanity? Any sense of justice?
My two daughters are not white and they face racism every single day - I’ve been with them countless times when i see people rolling their eyes at my gorgeous girls. They get ignored in shops, looked over in queues. They get shouted at. It is vile. And every one of your sarky comments is part of the racism my girls live with every single day.

Grow up, and learn to be nice

You are accusing these people of being racist with literally zero evidence of racism. OP being in a huff because the other customers didn’t verbally concede that she was there before them (presuming she actually was and they weren’t just waiting where she couldn’t see them) is not evidence of racism.

You do understand that proves PPs point about the undermining of ‘racist’ as an accusation to the point where people stop caring about being called racist?

You are not understanding my point.

You said:
It is not for you or I to decide the OP's experience of racism.

I said
Therefore
It was not for the police to decide Vickrum Digwa’s experience of racism. They were correct to believe him unquestioningly.

In other words, this would be the case if your mantra holds. Yes, it’s what the police did. And that’s why an innocent young man died in handcuffs, having been dragged around by the police and denied help or dignity.

I disagree with everything you’ve said on this thread but I have to say I am gobsmacked that you are saying the police were correct to believe a murderer accusing his dying victim of racism. Is that really what you believe?

btw no racism and hatred are not crimes. They can both be aggravating factors in crimes but we can still hate without breaking the law, I believe.