Is this racism?

Think it's best not to feed them anymore folks. I'm out.

I would go as far as to say there is nothing even casual about it.

I am so sorry @cooooola that this happened to you. Trust your gut, always. Don't let anyone on this forum or otherwise gaslight you into thinking that what you are experiencing isnt what you are experiencing.

This site is awful for casual racism and it usually goes unchecked by the moderators, despite many having tried to raise it over the years. There is the black mumsnetters section, where you would get better support although sadly many trolls hang out there too.

I noticed. And her sidekicks are just as bad. When challenged, they maintain they keep their calm in their replies, yet they try every tactic in their posts to hide their rage at being called out on their racism.

It did become amusing.

This person is constantly spreading racist drivel on MN

What is bizzare is that you clearly failed to read the post I was quoting. Or I could give you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you missed it?

@MissBeans83 at 10.56
If that couple had called you an obvious racist name, you would still get responses on here defending it, by those whose EQs remains stunted.

No one other than you has mentioned name calling....So you're basically arguing with your own point???

Absolutely bizarre

Healthy debate is very important. It’s far more useful to have a dialectical debate rather than an eristic one. I have been guilty of getting worked up during debates in the past, I still do now occasionally but I will go back over what I have typed before I post it and try to remove anything that may come across as too emotional or be interpreted as point scoring.

I find the shutting down of debate, whether it be the government or individuals, worrying and frustrating.

Well you did accuse the whole of the UK of being racist.

Are you including British citizens of colour in that?

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn
I think most people are not racist AND agree with you but it’s just too exhausting and pointless to argue when insults are thrown around so that those who suggest the man in the pub was just drunk or in a foul mood are suddenly going on Tommy Robinson marches.

The OP and others are looking for racism at every corner and in fact this will create more division not less.

This is well-known SM story designed to get people whipped up and it's worked. Again.

Same. I’m short and white and middle aged. In other words, invisible!

You tend to find those who go looking for racism are normally the subconscious racists. Fortunately, the law exists to remedy blatant racism.

Thank you - I do find people who bluster and throw insults rather unconvincing but sometimes amusing.

Multi-racial society? Crack on
Multi-cultural? Can only end badly in my opinion.

Agreed.

I enjoy healthy debate and think it is SO important. I have learnt a lot from the wise women here over the years. The government trying to shut down open debate and conversations is hugely divisive and worrying.

You forgot the "white people are becoming the minority"

That one was the winner🙄

Prejudice against white people?

Perhaps that is what you chant on your Tommy Robinson marches? But can't say they appeal to me.

@cooooola the point of the matter is, you were subject to someone being incredibly rude to you and you were quite understandably worked up about it. I would be too. But there is no evidence to suggest it was racist. Nobody can say either way. It could be that the guy who slammed his glass down was a misogynist. Or he could have been drunk and in a foul temper about something. Literally nobody can
say either way.
What I would like to know is, if it turned out that what you experienced wasn’t racism, would that make you feel any differently? You can attach any meaning you like to an interaction in the absence of a solid reason from angry man. Perhaps it’s the sort of situation where, when we are treated badly, we trying to figure out the motives for that person treating us badly so we can better understand why they did it. I assume you’d never treat someone in that way, so his behaviour was alien to you in the sense that there is no way you would react to another human in that manner. I would say, don’t try to understand the motives of complete arseholes. Just see them for the arseholes they are and try to move on.

So the Police Minister Sarah Jones condemned the language in the anti racism document as ‘wrong’ and the NPCC have initiated a full review of the guidance in conjunction with all the police EDI training for shits and giggles have they?

If your DH went on EDI courses anything like the ones you did that led to your huge prejudice against all white Brits, I’m not surprised there is a problem.

This isn’t just confined to the police. The inquiry into the three murders committed by Valdo Calocane found that people across medical services as well were reluctant to do things which could have prevented the murders because he was black.

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn voice of reason as usual. May I commend you for being able to write out your view points without resorting to insulting people who disagree with you. I notice that you are always quite measured, I don’t always agree with everything you say, but it’s refreshing that you’re able to articulate your point of view without calling other people ‘thick’ or accusing them of having a low EQ or generally just being very rude

Personally, I wanted to disagree with the poster that said that white people becoming a minority is a bad thing. I am careful not to conflate race with culture. Race is a man made construct and it is totally illogical to me to attach negative (or positive) connotations to someone because of how they look. I am, however, wary of British culture becoming diluted.
Multi-racial society? Crack on
Multi-cultural? Can only end badly in my opinion.

You'll get nowhere on MN. Racism doesn't exist, micro-agressions don't exist, there's always an innocent explanation, and you just have a 'chip on your shoulder'.
I believe you.

😂 it is okay folks, we are all getting a solid lesson on what racism is.

It is name calling only

If that couple had called you an obvious racist name, then you would be justified in claiming racism, but they didn’t.

PPs exacerbating your worries and smearing the whole of the UK as racist is not helpful.

Can you quantify what was racist about the interaction you had? Are you feeling that the man was racist purely because he looked at your face?

Did he actually even look at your face?

Drunk blokes often don’t have that level of their awareness of their surroundings.

The basics of comprehension are lost on you with your wild interpretation skills aren't they?

My husband is a Detective in the Met.

You have just posted your own interpretation when it is so far off PACE and what the guidelines are.

Nowhere in policing does it imply they give people a free pass if they commit an offence because they are non white.

Those guidelines are implemented so Officers have awareness of differing needs of the public. Such as a woman who is arrested in a hijab, and the requirements to search and prove identity, but only in the presence of another female officer.

The "police turn a blind eye for too many people of colour"?

What is next from your bag of tricks?

I await the next nugget of wisdom🙄

So basically what your saying is it's one rule for white people and another for people of an ethnic background?

I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same thing but that is what was written into the policing code of practice, yes. The police must treat people differently according to the colour of their skin. This means that they determine their action by the colour of the perpetrators skin rather than the crime. So if too many people of colour are committing crimes they have to turn a blind eye. This is horrendously divisive and empowers criminals who can exploit the colour of their skin.

Police ‘anti racism’ commitment:
Co-developed by the College of Policing and the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), this framework specifies that achieving racial equity does not mean being "colour blind". It requires forces to recognize racialized experiences and tailor policing to reduce harm and disproportionate outcomes.

In the last few years that has been quite a few cases of Asian women being raped by white man specifically because of their race.

How many cases (I am aware of 2) and what happened to the perpetrators? They have been prosecuted and convicted haven’t they.

As I said is the key difference with the Pakistani grooming gangs. The majority of those are not even arrested and the government have caused large amounts of evidence and paperwork to be destroyed just to make future prosecution that much more difficult. The tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of victims are unlikely to see any justice at all thanks to those in authority shielding the perpetrators.

Do you have any sympathy for them or will you continue to minimise their experience?

Where in the UK was this?