Is this racism?

You can’t answer my question, can you?

Because if you say yes, I will give you examples where this has happened.

If you say no, that will contradict your mantra that we must never “invalidate” a person of colour when they say they have experienced a racist incident.

So you resort to name-calling and insults instead.

More racist bile. We shall park that one up with your "white people will become the minority"

What's next?😁

Are you saying that people of colour never, ever exaggerate, misinterpret, misconstrue or lie about a situation when they claim racism?

One of those are you that skips through threads? And doesn't quite understand flow of context?

Oh ok.

Poor bloke slamming down his glass after a bad day? Thanks for teleporting me back to 1950s menfolk, where women have to put up with that.

You are racist because you discounted her experience and told her in clear terms she is lying, and that is regardless of the fact that it may or may not have been a racist incident.

Yet perhaps, the penny will drop that a person who invalidates somebody who falls prey to racism and calls them a liar, is racist themselves.

This answer depresses me . I really hope you are not in any position of power now or in the future.

How am I racist now????

You hate anyone countering with rational explanations of what happened.
Older couple might have been waiting longer but OP didn’t see them, or they might have been entitled chancers who were local to that wetherspoons and thought they should be served first.
Poor bloke who slammed down his glass just having a bad day
Just because these two things happened and OP is mixed race doesn’t make it racist

Just because I point out other valid reasons for the behaviour of these Wetherspoons folk doesn’t make me racist

But I agree it’s a good way to shut down an argument

And you are angry that your racism is being challenged.

He may have been a racist, ageist, sexist or just a downright nasty person, the latter is probably true, there are so many ignorant folks about. I'm a quiet person and hate ordering at the bar because I will often get people pushing in! We can't read the man's thoughts at the time so nobody can conclude his behaviour stemmed from racism, but he was definitely rude.

@MissBeans83

Even if it happened as she said the likelihood is that there were no racist motives!

Your attack on me should be reported by the way. But I suspect you are merely an agitator with no real comprehension skills.

Yet here you are denying her lived experience. You have simply just slightly soft soaped it.

How weird. A racist incident happens and you are so far in denial, you accuse her of lying.

Does she have to have the N word used against her for you to authorise her complaint?

You are beyond arrogant. 🙄

Blame the victim too for being raped do you? As the two mentalities are usually cut from the one cloth

I’ve done my EDI training at work and it dismayed me every time an example of racism was given like this when it could just as easily be attributed to misogny, ageism, classism or just downright gormlessness or rudeness.

My first thought when you said ‘older man’ was misogny. Many older men don’t ‘see’ females.

Equally, maybe he just didn’t see you. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m not denying your lived experience op but I am asking you to have some perspective. Not everything is to do with race.

What part do you have trouble understanding?

Which word?

To be honest I don’t think the OP has posted in good faith

Her example is so bizarre as to be laughable

She’s using a fake scenario instead of being open and just wanting a discussion as to whether the UK is a racist country. She lists all these countries which are oh so much better than the UK.

As a Brit albeit with foreign immigrant parents this makes me really sad. And cross.

MissBeans83 · Today 14:06
That is a broad answer. Racism comes in various different forms, and there are infinite amount of examples.

What does that actually mean ?

@MissBeans83
But OP posted on an AIBU thread and asked the question “ was this racist”?

Some posters including me are trying to reassure her that a bloke slamming his glass on the counter is not indicative of a racist act. It’s indicative of having had too much to drink/being in a bad mood/being heavy handed. In fact he spoke to OP beforehand!
The older couple said they were there first. Maybe they were and had just stepped away. Maybe they were chancers. Why was that interpreted as racism? The rude guy said he didn’t see who was first so he wasn’t backing up the older couple… he didn’t want to get involved.

Maybe OP sees every little annoyance in life as racist but it is not logical…

That is a broad answer. Racism comes in various different forms, and there are infinite amount of examples.

One being on here, the invalidation of a non white person who wrote about her experience. That is actual racism in itself.

Racists tend to push back and refute, because facing reality is something that they lack emotional resiliance in.

Can you tell me what your definition of racist is first please?

My understanding is that in an eristic debate, the soul purpose is to ‘win’ by any means necessary. Whether that be by berating your opponent or using unnecessarily emotive language, twisting words, using hyperbole, talking about how educated they are or referring to other credentials they hold that must make their view the ‘correct’ one (which as we know isn’t logical)

I prefer a dialectic debate because there are no ‘losers’. If I retain respect for my interlocutor(s) and try to understand their view points as well as articulating my own, keep an open mind I will either walk away having broadened or even changed my view on something OR I will become more secure in my views having had them stand up to scrutiny.

It’s not always easy, and as you have experienced multiple times, it’s almost impossible to keep the debate dialectical when other participants are trying so hard to make it eristic.

I guess what it comes down to is, what do people want to get out of the discussion? For me, I am on the same page as you as to the ultimate aim of talking. That it is hopefully an antidote to all the hate and division and will perhaps cause us all to realise that we have more in common than we don’t. And if we don’t turn on one another, we can’t be as easily controlled. For others, if their sole aim is to be inflammatory or to ‘win’ a debate at all costs rather than to win hearts and minds or expand their world view, then obviously an eristic debate will work to serve that purpose. I can’t understand what the point of that is though.

What examples have you got of the government causing division?

May I remind you that you have accused the whole of the UK population of being racist.

What is your definition of racism? And how does OPs experience fit that?

Absolutely! Although I’m now off to look up eristic - haven’t heard that before :-)

I used to get worked up too but the more I thought and discussed, the more clarity I found in my views.

I am sad about the division and upset that is being caused, largely by the very people tasked to run the country. I feel like talking is the antidote.

And when challenged on it, they attempt to twist it like there is something wrong with the other person's comprehension. Or...."the race card being played causes division"🙄

Translation: "When you attempt to challenge my ingrained racism, it pushes me into a corner so I therefore have no option but to turn it back on you"

And they also don’t like data. As the data clearly demonstrates the complete opposite of what they say