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Is this racism?

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cooooola · 07/07/2026 13:13

Basically I was at the pub in the pub and nobody was behind the bar.

I was first in line.

An elderly couple come and and then another man who slams his glass down.

When the bar lady asks "who is first"? I replied me.

The elderly couple say "we have been waiting ages".

And the man next says "I didn't see her".

I felt this was due to me being mixed race.
I felt quite intimidated.

I only popped in for a drink whilst OH has the kids.

I feel any shaken up as the only ethnic person in the place.
AIBU

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JHound · 07/07/2026 18:08

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 18:06

@JHound not worth my time. Not intelligent enough.

Translation: “I cannot actually think of an intelligent response and I also jumped the shark in assuming”.

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 18:07

Palomiino · 07/07/2026 18:05

No it’s not. It isn’t very nice but white people can’t claim racism when white supremacy is still the default.

Ha ha. You are so out of date. Wake up. Guilt trip ride officially ended.

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 18:06

@JHound not worth my time. Not intelligent enough.

Palomiino · 07/07/2026 18:05

FaceIt · 07/07/2026 18:02

Oh come on it’s a frequent occurrence and has been since the year dot. People can be gits no matter what race you are.

My DH who is white British, was told to leave a pub by a black guy in Shropshire.

His precise words were:

“We don’t like no milk in our coffee here.”

That IS racism.

No it’s not. It isn’t very nice but white people can’t claim racism when white supremacy is still the default.

JHound · 07/07/2026 18:05

FaceIt · 07/07/2026 18:02

Oh come on it’s a frequent occurrence and has been since the year dot. People can be gits no matter what race you are.

My DH who is white British, was told to leave a pub by a black guy in Shropshire.

His precise words were:

“We don’t like no milk in our coffee here.”

That IS racism.

An all black pub in Shropshire???

Palomiino · 07/07/2026 18:04

It could have been racism but it could also have been because you’re a woman (or both). I’ve had a big problem with men trying to shove in front of me at the Waitrose deli. I just don’t let them.

JHound · 07/07/2026 18:02

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 18:00

It’s true, no short young men are suffering emotional pain from heightism. Only poc can suffer from discrimination.

if you refuse to date someone because they are a poc, that’s an abomination.

if you refuse to date someone because of their height, that’s fine.

you seem To know what you’re talking about. In upside down land.

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It doesn’t belong on the list. Nobody is entitled to a partner and adding it to the list suggests that men are.

People can be as selective as they like when it comes to who they choose to be romantically intimate with. Those same men will have physical criteria they reject women for.

It does not belong on the list. (And I extend that to ALL reasons that people may choose who they will and will not have sex with so now you look foolish.)

DameOfThrones · 07/07/2026 18:02

ColdAsAWitches · 07/07/2026 17:56

I didn't back down and got served first and stared them and the man out to show I wasn't being intimidated

In your original post you said you were intimidated and shaken up. You got over it quickly if you were squaring up to them, out-argued them to actually get served first and asked the barman to look at the cctv!

All 3 of them moaned to the OP about lack of staff but then later on, just 2.

And she still hasn't mentioned the result of the CCTV request.

But as long as some people are arguing now on the thread, I guess it's all good.

FaceIt · 07/07/2026 18:02

Oh come on it’s a frequent occurrence and has been since the year dot. People can be gits no matter what race you are.

My DH who is white British, was told to leave a pub by a black guy in Shropshire.

His precise words were:

“We don’t like no milk in our coffee here.”

That IS racism.

JHound · 07/07/2026 18:00

I will say the story in OP clearly does not appear to have occurred given how often it is changing.

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 18:00

JHound · 07/07/2026 17:56

Dating preferences don’t belong on this list.

It’s true, no short young men are suffering emotional pain from heightism. Only poc can suffer from discrimination.

if you refuse to date someone because they are a poc, that’s an abomination.

if you refuse to date someone because of their height, that’s fine.

you seem To know what you’re talking about. In upside down land.

JHound · 07/07/2026 17:59

cooooola · 07/07/2026 17:55

@JHound - Yes the Daily Mail is a prime example of this.

Every time there is a an article published about a non white person there will be hundreds of awful racist comments and a lot of green arrows to support this.

I remember when that Air India crashed and there was 1 survivor, I remember reading such awful comments.

Sky News had a recent TV piece and they went to a local area and asked a bunch of young school kids how they managed to sneak and stay up late to watch the game. Dunno where in London they were but all the children were black (there were about 4 or 5 spoken to).

The comments were an absolute shit show.

ColdAsAWitches · 07/07/2026 17:56

I didn't back down and got served first and stared them and the man out to show I wasn't being intimidated

In your original post you said you were intimidated and shaken up. You got over it quickly if you were squaring up to them, out-argued them to actually get served first and asked the barman to look at the cctv!

JHound · 07/07/2026 17:56

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 17:37

Are you elderly? Because I doubt you know how endemic Agism is. Are you pretty, because otherwise you have no idea the amount of pretty privelege that goes on. Do you have acne? I don’t think you realise how hard it is for acne sufferers to feel included. Do you suffer from female pattern hair loss? Because I don’t think k you’re being fair to all those with such crippling confidence shattered. Do you live as a short man trying to find a girlfriend? Because you don’t seem to realise that heightism is at an all time high.

or.

we’re all humans. Get the f*ck on with it and stop guilt tripping every other bugger.

Dating preferences don’t belong on this list.

cooooola · 07/07/2026 17:55

@JHound - Yes the Daily Mail is a prime example of this.

Every time there is a an article published about a non white person there will be hundreds of awful racist comments and a lot of green arrows to support this.

I remember when that Air India crashed and there was 1 survivor, I remember reading such awful comments.

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JHound · 07/07/2026 17:54

5128gap · 07/07/2026 17:32

Are you white? Because if so, you're probably not best placed to know the extent of racism in the UK. Because stats only give crime reports, convictions etc, not the day to day experiences people have.
Its a bit like when a certain type of man claims there is no sexism against women because its illegal and because he has no idea what women actually experience.

Or…there is no sexism in the UK because it’s worse in other countries!

ERthree · 07/07/2026 17:53

God almighty.

JHound · 07/07/2026 17:51

BatchCookBabe · 07/07/2026 17:20

I agree. I get sick of all the accusations of the UK being a racist country. Utter load of nonsense. Try moving to a few of the Eastern European countries, Bulgaria, Russia, Belarus etc, or America, Germany, Hungary, Austria, Finland Australia............. Live in one of them ^ for a year, and then come back and tell me that the UK is a racist country.

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“Other places are worse” is always a shit argument.

The UK certainly has a tonne of racists as the comments under any UK news article show.

Bellingham is the golden boy at the moment but even Khan has recently called out the amount of racism the non-white English football players have faced online.

So yes other places are certainly worse.

So?

(I will say though I lived in Australia and certainly did not find it any worse than the UK in terms of racism.)

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 17:48

cooooola · 07/07/2026 17:43

@DeftPlumLurker I'm not honestly.
I am just describing the experiences I have had.

I am half white by the way and have even experienced racism within my own family.

Have you ever experienced straight up dislike of you? Or was it always just racist bigotry?

was your mum fed up of your whining, or was she a racist bigot?

were you rude, obstructive, and dim witted, or were you perfect and your family were racist?

DameOfThrones · 07/07/2026 17:45

cooooola · 07/07/2026 17:43

@DeftPlumLurker I'm not honestly.
I am just describing the experiences I have had.

I am half white by the way and have even experienced racism within my own family.

Surely you can see this is a really silly question you're asking Mumsnet though?

You were there, we weren't.

BatchCookBabe · 07/07/2026 17:44

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 17:37

Are you elderly? Because I doubt you know how endemic Agism is. Are you pretty, because otherwise you have no idea the amount of pretty privelege that goes on. Do you have acne? I don’t think you realise how hard it is for acne sufferers to feel included. Do you suffer from female pattern hair loss? Because I don’t think k you’re being fair to all those with such crippling confidence shattered. Do you live as a short man trying to find a girlfriend? Because you don’t seem to realise that heightism is at an all time high.

or.

we’re all humans. Get the f*ck on with it and stop guilt tripping every other bugger.

This. The desperation (from some) to paint the UK as a racist country really pisses me right off. It's becoming like white noise now though, because so many examples of racism are brought up that are clearly not racism.

As I said, some people will climb to the top of Mount Everest and back down again to try and find a reason to be offended, and a problem where there isn't one. it must be very exhausting and frustrating being so offended ALL THE TIME. 🙄

And now of course, the OP is claiming that she has been to LOADS of other countries, and the people are sooooooooo much nicer.

@cooooola Tell me you wanted to create a UK bashing thread without telling me you wanted to create a UK bashing thread. 😴

I'm out. CBA.

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cooooola · 07/07/2026 17:43

@DeftPlumLurker I'm not honestly.
I am just describing the experiences I have had.

I am half white by the way and have even experienced racism within my own family.

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rwalker · 07/07/2026 17:40

5128gap · 07/07/2026 17:32

Are you white? Because if so, you're probably not best placed to know the extent of racism in the UK. Because stats only give crime reports, convictions etc, not the day to day experiences people have.
Its a bit like when a certain type of man claims there is no sexism against women because its illegal and because he has no idea what women actually experience.

The problem is shouting racism over this it ends up like the boy who cried wolf and distracts from genuine racism

DeftPlumLurker · 07/07/2026 17:39

You sound very angry, ignorant and hate-filled OP.

I hope you find inner peace one day and stop being so bigoted.

Atkinsondesperation · 07/07/2026 17:37

5128gap · 07/07/2026 17:32

Are you white? Because if so, you're probably not best placed to know the extent of racism in the UK. Because stats only give crime reports, convictions etc, not the day to day experiences people have.
Its a bit like when a certain type of man claims there is no sexism against women because its illegal and because he has no idea what women actually experience.

Are you elderly? Because I doubt you know how endemic Agism is. Are you pretty, because otherwise you have no idea the amount of pretty privelege that goes on. Do you have acne? I don’t think you realise how hard it is for acne sufferers to feel included. Do you suffer from female pattern hair loss? Because I don’t think k you’re being fair to all those with such crippling confidence shattered. Do you live as a short man trying to find a girlfriend? Because you don’t seem to realise that heightism is at an all time high.

or.

we’re all humans. Get the f*ck on with it and stop guilt tripping every other bugger.