Is this racism?

Are you a short, not particularly young woman? You were in competition with an elderly couple and a loudmouth, it's up to us to speak up and pronounce ME. Then thank you I would like...

That’s a good test actually. Would a white woman have been treated the same in that situation? Most probably yes.

Yeah I see this as an issue of her being a woman rather than a POC. As if if she was white they would have bowed down, courtesied and laid a red carpet out for her. Jfc.

I cannot see this being racism. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. No-one can definitively say. What I will say is that people are going to roll their eyes and sigh at this kinda thing, as it is commonplace that when a POC is inconvenienced they immediately pull the racism card. It isn't always racism. Some people are just cunts and don't want to wait in a queue. If anything, I would assume it was because you're a woman on your own. If you had a big scary man with you, I doubt that they would have said anything.

And men wanting a pint at a bar are more likely to try and elbow out women. I’ve had it done to me more times than I can count.

Happened to me loads. White female. People are just rude and unobservant.

She doesn’t know what shes experiencing. She felt uncomfortable in a bar where she nearly wasn’t served in the right order. But she was.

The whole point of her question. Was this racism? Yes or no is the answer. If she felt it was racism then why ask?

But this doesn’t make any sense. OP is not a mind reader and the people present said nothing racist so what possible information is she using to conclude that it was a racist encounter?

It appears to be that she is mixed race in which case, literally every negative interaction will be attributed to racism.

What conclusion would you and @cooooola have drawn if the people at the bar were black or brown?

I think some positions are very difficult to hold without being very selective about what information you allow to seep into your consciousness. Some people have to put a lot of effort into this. Calling people names and defining them as “undesirable demographics” or whatever the phrase was, if they start talking about things you don’t want to think about is one symptom.

100% agree @TryNotToLaugh Funny how some people only want to hear one side of things. the side that suits their agenda!

That’s fine. You clearly want to manage what information reaches you. Everyone else reading will know that, after fatally stabbing Henry Nowak, Vickrum Digwa lied to the police that Henry had racially abused him. As a result, Henry died in handcuffs, with the police ignoring his pleas for help, and treating him like a criminal.

So yes, sometimes people of colour do lie about having experienced a racist incident. And this can have serious consequences for white people, thankfully not often as serious as those Henry Nowak suffered. So we are allowed to have an opinion when we don’t believe an incident was racism.

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn Have a nice evening at the beach!

What’s the eye roll for?

Bean clearly is using a definition of racism that is different to the dictionary definition so I need to understand what I and the rest of the country are being accused of.

Surely to have a conversation, we need common definitions otherwise it just can’t work.

What’s your definition that a) makes sense and b) captures the actions or comments made by me, PPs on this thread also accused and the rest of the UK?

I’m off to the beach for a bit so I’ll catch up on your thoughts later.

Funny how some people have selective outrage isn't it?

Oh dear.

I will leave that one with you and people like you. I prefer to focus my time on the murder, abuse and lack of care to incidents relating to black boys and girls.

There a racist and xenophobic people in all parts of the world.

I’ve witnessed awful racist incidents in my little Northern ex-mining town. There’s no denying that the UK is experiencing more racial hate crimes due to what’s published in the media and idiots like Tommy Robinson/Katie Hopkins/Ryan Bridge etc with their constant online drivel.

However, in your particular circumstance in Spoons, no one can say if it was due to your race or not. I’m white, fair haired and I’ve been first or next at the bar and (usually) men have pushed in or elbowed me out of the way to be served first. It isn’t uncommon, sadly.

Agree. Although if views like Beans are a result of the extensive EDI training she received, no wonder lots of us are experiencing issues.

OP has been led to believe that every negative interaction where people can see her face is racism and PP thinks we’re all racist.

The word itself is starting to sound odd as we’ve heard it so many times with such little meaning attached.

Can I suggest you read up about the murder of Henry Nowak then, and the actions of his murderer, if you’ve never come across that case?

You’ve literally already said that I’m talking about the future

We shall park that one up with your "white people will become the minority"

and you can check my posts if you don’t believe your own 😂

If white people are so powerful in the UK how come we have consistently for decades said we don’t want mass immigration but have had it nevertheless, for decades, to the extent we will soon be a minority?

Oh my word!

@Lndnmummy the posts that are being deleted contain personal attacks towards other posters. That’s why they were deleted.

It was CCTV which made me doubt how genuine the op is. For all the racism they have apparently faced this is the incident they chose to post.

Obviously a few gullible mumsnutters are all over this.

Or, you know, maybe they actually were?