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to think this couple in the guardian are strange and this was not an appropriate subject for a book?

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HildegardVonBingham · 07/07/2026 06:53

My jaw was on the floor as I read this. Obviously it’s awful that they were subjected to a campaign of harassment, absolutely no excuses. But I do think it’s insensitive to write a whole BOOK about it, given that the perpetrators killed themselves in a double suicide?! I also don’t know who just lends a neighbour £10k!!! Whole piece compounds my suspicion of everyone who chooses to live in the arse end of nowhere…. www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/05/dream-home-turned-nightmare-in-wales-stalker-neighbours-stalked-book

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CamilleBeauchamp · 07/07/2026 10:18

WinterAconite · 07/07/2026 10:12

I found it interesting and well written. Poor couple having to suffer all that. I hope they can start to recover and enjoy their home. Although I'd probably want to sell it and start afresh because of the bad memories. Thank God Cassie and Francis can't harm anyone now. Can the couple claim what they are owed from the estate?

I felt so sorry for them, even if they did some inexplicable things - that sort of conflict would end me.

But frankly, the last thing I'd then want to do is open another conflict with those people's relatives... 😰

Mistymaglets · 07/07/2026 10:17

LimestonePavement · 07/07/2026 10:15

Well, it sounds not unlike a Mn thread — a combination of the door a neighbour cut in someone’s wall, the Mexican house thief and the standard ‘nightmare neighbours’ thread? Wasn’t there a very fraught one a while ago about the disputed ownership of some woodland?

Someone cut a door in the neighbours wall?????

I'm going to have to look that one up!!!!

LimestonePavement · 07/07/2026 10:15

Mistymaglets · 07/07/2026 10:08

You last line made me laugh out loud.
" petrol bombing the neighbours because of nothing objective"

-What did you do this morning?
-Oh, just threw some Molotov cocktails at
the house next door
-Really, why?
-No particular reason.

😂😂😂

Well, it sounds not unlike a Mn thread — a combination of the door a neighbour cut in someone’s wall, the Mexican house thief and the standard ‘nightmare neighbours’ thread? Wasn’t there a very fraught one a while ago about the disputed ownership of some woodland?

WinterAconite · 07/07/2026 10:12

I found it interesting and well written. Poor couple having to suffer all that. I hope they can start to recover and enjoy their home. Although I'd probably want to sell it and start afresh because of the bad memories. Thank God Cassie and Francis can't harm anyone now. Can the couple claim what they are owed from the estate?

Glowingup · 07/07/2026 10:11

If someone put me through the absolute hell that these two did to their neighbours, you can bet your arse that I wouldn’t hesitate to make money out of it. Why should they have sympathy with Cassie’s family. Cassie seemed to be a willing accomplice and when they died the family went on about what an amazing couple they were. Doesn’t sound like she was trapped and we can’t assume that just because she’s a woman. They both sounded like horrible people.

omghereistrouble · 07/07/2026 10:09

1000s books written in same vein. if they want to write about it you do not have to buy it

Mistymaglets · 07/07/2026 10:08

LimestonePavement · 07/07/2026 09:55

Yes, that sounds perfectly possible.

I think these kinds of ‘real life unfortunate event’ books are always a bit odd, even when entirely true, because while you’d expect fully+realised characters, motivation, some kind of clarity at the end in a novel about harassment by psychotic neighbours, in RL people just do odd things, like lend people money, or end up petrolbombing the neighbours because of nothing objective.

You last line made me laugh out loud.
" petrol bombing the neighbours because of nothing objective"

-What did you do this morning?
-Oh, just threw some Molotov cocktails at
the house next door
-Really, why?
-No particular reason.

😂😂😂

WhatTheHellsGoingOn · 07/07/2026 10:08

For the royalties? 🤷‍♀️

WhatTheHellsGoingOn · 07/07/2026 10:07

ApolloandDaphne · 07/07/2026 07:21

There are many, many books written by people who have something terrible happen to them. I would imagine it is cathartic to get it down on paper. A way for working through what happened and lots of people, like me, enjoy reading books like this.

Relied to wrong post sorry

Minasama · 07/07/2026 10:06

I haven’t finished the article but I got as far as them having dinner with the couple the first night they met then, lending £25K in total to these people they’d known less than a year and the sale not yet going through.

That just makes them very different from me as I would never lend any money to anyone, except potentially my sister, and certainly not thousands of pounds. It just causes problems and anyone worth having as a friend understands that and doesn’t ask. That’s why there are banks.

Also I don’t think I would have dinner with someone I just met either, although I suppose thinking they were going to be neighbours makes a difference…

So I suppose I feel reassured that I would not end up in that situation which is something!

Mangelwurzelfortea · 07/07/2026 10:03

waterrat · 07/07/2026 10:02

I also read it and thought it was weird - poorly written and at points made no sense. Why on earth did they lend these people money?

Exactly. The couple (they thought were weird) were buying the land THEY wanted, so why did they end up lending them large sums of money? And also the description of how the land was split up didn't really make any sense.

Ormally · 07/07/2026 10:02

LimestonePavement · 07/07/2026 09:55

Yes, that sounds perfectly possible.

I think these kinds of ‘real life unfortunate event’ books are always a bit odd, even when entirely true, because while you’d expect fully+realised characters, motivation, some kind of clarity at the end in a novel about harassment by psychotic neighbours, in RL people just do odd things, like lend people money, or end up petrolbombing the neighbours because of nothing objective.

For 99 percent of that, can I recommend 'One Moonlit Night' by Caradog Pritchard. No AI within a country mile of it, and by his own conviction, did not want it translated from the Welsh, so the English translation came over 30 years after it was written, done in 1995. Might put some of the romanticisation of the house and the land parcels into a little perspective (but this is not its purpose in any way).

Clarity at the end, though? Technically, but a last page that shines and then smothers everything that's gone before in one moment. I turned right back to page 1.

waterrat · 07/07/2026 10:02

I also read it and thought it was weird - poorly written and at points made no sense. Why on earth did they lend these people money?

Mangelwurzelfortea · 07/07/2026 10:01

Sweetbeansandmochi · 07/07/2026 07:08

Well they write well for a start, so I can see why they would want to apply those skills.

Sometimes the only way to deal with trauma is to transform it through a creative act. So, I don’t think it’s weird.

It was too long for a teaser in the guardian because I don’t need to read the book now.

That article in the Guardian looked like it was written by ChatGPT.

SpaceRaccoon · 07/07/2026 09:58

Yes! I read this article yesterday and thought it was the oddest thing ever.

CamilleBeauchamp · 07/07/2026 09:57

Thing is, this was always going to happen after the Salt Path debacle - that any similar 'real life' story' was going to be questioned in a way that hadn't occurred to anyone much before.

Only skimmed the extract, btw, but they did seem to make a lot of stupid decisions, didn't they? 🤦‍♀️

YorksMa · 07/07/2026 09:56

Why does it bother you? Just let people get on with their lives. If you go into any Waterstones you'll find scores of books with people recounting horrific things that happened to them - from abuse to crime to war.

viques · 07/07/2026 09:55

After the debacle of the Salt Path couple, who I think ended up with a hefty amount from book sales and film rights I can understand people monetising traumatic situations. Worked for the Sussexes too!

Misery money. 😂

LimestonePavement · 07/07/2026 09:55

Beachtastic · 07/07/2026 09:51

Some people are crazy. The guy probably had amphetamine psychosis on top of other things. I read the article thinking "I used to go out with this guy" and was relieved to see the names are real so it's not him!

Yes, that sounds perfectly possible.

I think these kinds of ‘real life unfortunate event’ books are always a bit odd, even when entirely true, because while you’d expect fully+realised characters, motivation, some kind of clarity at the end in a novel about harassment by psychotic neighbours, in RL people just do odd things, like lend people money, or end up petrolbombing the neighbours because of nothing objective.

Saeris · 07/07/2026 09:52

Tonissister · 07/07/2026 09:25

Do you think that is really badly written? I find it a bit commercial but not total waffle. All those descriptions, even if they are a bit heavy-handed, help to portray the scenes vividly.

Yeah I do (I mean, I posted it)

Its waffle, its trying to be poetic and missing the mark completely.

montysmaw · 07/07/2026 09:52

User97463 · 07/07/2026 07:38

I thought exactly the same thing!!! It sounds like an AI assisted, overly dramatic and poorly written crime thriller novel. I found it utterly baffling why they would synopsise something like that in the Guardian. Maybe one of them has personal connections with an editor or something.

It also seemed appallingly poor taste to profit over the double suicide of another couple. There is also no context given at all about where they came from and there must still be living family members around.

Profit? Did you read it?
They were scammed for tens of thousands and had their property damaged.
I would be milking every fucking penny out of the "poor suicide victims"
Good luck to them.

LimestonePavement · 07/07/2026 09:51

ZenNudist · 07/07/2026 09:50

I don't understand the vitriol. Didn't strike me as unusual for stuff you read in the guardian. I'd already forgotten about it. I don't read the books that come with these stories.

I agree that lending £25k to a neighbour is nuts. Maybe that part didn't happen and its made up to make them seem more of a victim.

I assume they’d have had to provide evidence of that to the CPS before the trial, even though Collins changed his plea at the last minute.

Beachtastic · 07/07/2026 09:51

Mistymaglets · 07/07/2026 09:43

I thought it was an interesting read but don't understand the situation at all.

What exactly was the problem that led to the stalking and petrol bombing?

It went from " here, have our money" to spraying the bus with ball bearings.

And what exactly were the couple involved in?

It's a bit The Good Life meets The Sopranos.

Some people are crazy. The guy probably had amphetamine psychosis on top of other things. I read the article thinking "I used to go out with this guy" and was relieved to see the names are real so it's not him!

DierdreDaphne · 07/07/2026 09:51

TheBlueKoala · 07/07/2026 07:27

I agree @HildegardVonBingham. I read this article yesterday and something just felt off to me. Not the story in itself, but the way it was written and details not adding up. I don't believe it.

I agree - but also it's a condensation of the book which presumably gives a lot more detail, context and probably enables the reader to trace causality - all of which are stripped out. I often find this with condensed books.

Saying that I agree with PPs that this is a weird story. The new neighbours were obviously nutters but the entitlement of the writers to just own and enjoy a huge chunk of Welsh countryside kind of grates, even if noone (obviously) deserves to be subjected to this kind of criminal harassment.

But although I was gripped and read to the end it did not enhance my day and I kind of wich I hadn't. I didn't feel Id learned anything or come awy with any warmth towards the victims..Which is kind of odd?

ZenNudist · 07/07/2026 09:50

I don't understand the vitriol. Didn't strike me as unusual for stuff you read in the guardian. I'd already forgotten about it. I don't read the books that come with these stories.

I agree that lending £25k to a neighbour is nuts. Maybe that part didn't happen and its made up to make them seem more of a victim.