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to think this couple in the guardian are strange and this was not an appropriate subject for a book?

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HildegardVonBingham · 07/07/2026 06:53

My jaw was on the floor as I read this. Obviously it’s awful that they were subjected to a campaign of harassment, absolutely no excuses. But I do think it’s insensitive to write a whole BOOK about it, given that the perpetrators killed themselves in a double suicide?! I also don’t know who just lends a neighbour £10k!!! Whole piece compounds my suspicion of everyone who chooses to live in the arse end of nowhere…. www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/05/dream-home-turned-nightmare-in-wales-stalker-neighbours-stalked-book

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Cravey · 13/07/2026 19:09

We know this couple and honestly hope the book sells well, the terror and fear they went through was horrific. Just awful.

User97463 · 13/07/2026 19:05

Harper's own website page is pretty chaotic with January 28 and 30 October right next to each other?! Feel a bit bad for the 5 people who bought the book already (hardly impressive considering how much reach the story got)

If you click their bookstore links, some of the pages are also bizarre, with Waterstones listing the book as in stock and available to be shipped within a day: https://www.waterstones.com/book/9780008802820

Middlemarch123 · 13/07/2026 19:00

It doesn’t add up, clunky narrative, like a bad Netflix drama. I read the Guardian article, but wouldn’t want to read or pay to read the book, if it ever materialised. Like a pp said, lots of gaps. If you carefully read the article analytically, it doesn’t gel.

BrandiedAromatics · 13/07/2026 18:50

User97463 · 13/07/2026 18:38

Yes! I recall the July date on the (now gone) Guardian Bookstore page. That obviously makes sense based on their giant PR launch a few weeks back.

EDIT: How odd, the Guardian Bookstore page is now back! It was definitely 404 broken link earlier. But launch date is still gone and says Available but with no purchase link.

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Yes, thanks but in product details:

Place of Publication:
London

Publication Date:

28/01/2027

User97463 · 13/07/2026 18:38

BrandiedAromatics · 13/07/2026 18:28

I remember that Harper had the publication date as 16 July 2026 when this thread was started. Curiouser and curiouser ...
ADAPTED from Stalked by Amanda Hut­ton & Richard Bur­ton (HarperE­le­ment, £10.99) to be pub­lished July 16. © Amanda Hut­ton & Richard Bur­ton 2026.

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Yes! I recall the July date on the (now gone) Guardian Bookstore page. That obviously makes sense based on their giant PR launch a few weeks back.

EDIT: How odd, the Guardian Bookstore page is now back! It was definitely 404 broken link earlier. But launch date is still gone and says Available but with no purchase link.

TorroFerney · 13/07/2026 18:33

Sausagenbacon · 07/07/2026 07:46

Yes. Very much Salt Path vibes.
And an odd choice for the guardian to give 2 whole pages to.

It was an article in the Times as well, but a normal article, an interview rather than a synposis

BrandiedAromatics · 13/07/2026 18:28

User97463 · 13/07/2026 17:49

Interesting! The blurb at the bottom of the article linking to the Guardian bookshop is also gone. That was why I assumed they promoted it so hard because they get a share from books sold through the shop. This was definitely the page which is gone now:

https://guardianbookshop.com/stalked-9780008802820

Original release date was October 27 2026 (still up on Amazon.com) but many other pages have pushed it back to Jan 28 2027. Maybe there were so many AI accusations that they had to go take a look, although that would have been obvious to any proofreader as well. HarperCollins are too big to risk getting caught in an AI scandal.

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I remember that Harper had the publication date as 16 July 2026 when this thread was started. Curiouser and curiouser ...
ADAPTED from Stalked by Amanda Hut­ton & Richard Bur­ton (HarperE­le­ment, £10.99) to be pub­lished July 16. © Amanda Hut­ton & Richard Bur­ton 2026.

User97463 · 13/07/2026 17:49

noodlezoodle · 13/07/2026 15:44

The plot thickens... the book has gone from 'published by...' to 'release date January 2027'. I wonder what happened?

Interesting! The blurb at the bottom of the article linking to the Guardian bookshop is also gone. That was why I assumed they promoted it so hard because they get a share from books sold through the shop. This was definitely the page which is gone now:

https://guardianbookshop.com/stalked-9780008802820

Original release date was October 27 2026 (still up on Amazon.com) but many other pages have pushed it back to Jan 28 2027. Maybe there were so many AI accusations that they had to go take a look, although that would have been obvious to any proofreader as well. HarperCollins are too big to risk getting caught in an AI scandal.

AlwaysExtraHot · 13/07/2026 16:46

User97463 · 07/07/2026 13:58

That's definitely plausible but the part of their story that makes no sense is that Collins showed up with a brand new Harley Davidson. The older man "ran back to the house to Google the price of the bike" which came out as £25,000 and it was clearly bought with "his money". That scene is utterly bizarre.

Was it a totally fake scene shoehorned into the memoir to elicit sympathy or generate some kind of visual dramatic moment? Surely Googling the price of motorcycle is hardly a crazy epiphany. How did he know for sure the Collins spent exactly that money on the bike rather than just pocketing it and having spent it on something else?

If Collins bought a bike then that means they didn't spend the 25K on the paddock. Surely Byrn would have interfered by then since he didn't get paid? If they did spend the 25K on the land and simply didn't pay them back, where the did money for the bike come from?? Utterly baffling plot holes

And I'm not a expert in motorcycles but I'm positive the cost of a HD can vary hugely. Just like every single car brand can vary depending on whether you buy it second hand, at what mileage, what model etc. How on earth did that older man find a model that costs exactly 25K, conveniently corresponding with the same amount he lent them to buy land?

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Doesn’t he put something on social media about the bike and how the older couple are suckers/mugs ie implying heavily that he used their money for it?
But that doesn’t answer the question of how did they acquire the land if he spent the money on a bike instead.

BrandiedAromatics · 13/07/2026 16:17

noodlezoodle · 13/07/2026 15:44

The plot thickens... the book has gone from 'published by...' to 'release date January 2027'. I wonder what happened?

Yes, I wonder .... here is another parallel with The Salt Path author - the fourth book has been kicked into the long grass by the publisher .... easier than confronting the problem?

AlwaysExtraHot · 13/07/2026 16:08

I found it odd too, for reasons I can't quite put my finger on; there just seem to be gaps in information/logic.
I also don't quite see how you can make a whole book out of it; I felt like the whole story was told in that one extract. Unless I'm massively missing something.

wherethewaterisdarker · 13/07/2026 15:53

I agree it had a very dodgy, tacky, exploitative vibe and I was surprised it was serialised in the guardian - not least because it’s quite obviously written by generative AI.. not something I’d imagine the guardian would want to promote. The imprint it’s publishing with also looks.. not high quality and ethically rigorous! Weird but I do think the guardian is quite shit in general these days.

noodlezoodle · 13/07/2026 15:44

The plot thickens... the book has gone from 'published by...' to 'release date January 2027'. I wonder what happened?

TheOccupier · 10/07/2026 07:50

Sparkletastic · 07/07/2026 07:06

It was certainly an interesting read.

Thanks for the spoiler @HildegardVonBingham

Keepingthingsinteresting · 07/07/2026 23:58

User97463 · 07/07/2026 07:45

Fine not to personally like it, but bear in mind they were also defrauded out of £25k, so of they can get some of that back from a book good for them.

He should just ask the police to sell the Harley Davidson belonging to his dead neighbour that was allegedly bought with his money.

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Because that’s totally how that works…..🙄

CamillaMcCauley · 07/07/2026 23:48

HildegardVonBingham · 07/07/2026 07:11

@LimestonePavement why would you want to re-live the trauma of that happening by writing a book about it? Obviously the man and woman who harassed them did something terrible, but I just find it weird. I also thought some of the writing had an AI tone.

In my view, a large majority of books, fiction or non-fiction, are an attempt to make sense of trauma.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 07/07/2026 23:26

Having skimmed bits of it again, it does seem to have a quite peculiar, disjointed style, with some parts at odds with the way others are written.

It doesn't seem to flow that well, and in some ways, reminds me of that game called Consequences... but if everyone had written a poorly written individual paragraph of the same story.🤔😬

JustSawJohnny · 07/07/2026 21:40

Victims do not owe their abusers silence.

Seajaye · 07/07/2026 19:56

Apart from the usual legal constraints around libel or official secrets etc. it seem a anyone can write a book on more or less on any topic but that doesn't mean other people have to publish it, but it or or read it. I am however astonished by what sells nowadays.

HildegardVonBingham · 07/07/2026 16:03

@ChequerToRed love your fence-related insights !

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Ormally · 07/07/2026 14:41

Press coverage of the inquest says .. the man, an ex-Para, had been diagnosed with severe psychotic depression with a history of suicidal ideation, and that his father, who was in the SAS, had died by suicide in his childhood.

(This is part of a quote upthread with back information about the person who undertook the campaign of threats and sabotaging of the land).

I put in an admiring word for Caradog Prichard (correct spelling this time) earlier. A Mabinogion alarm bell is ringing now with parts of the tale of Branwen and the Welsh figure of Efnysien. Owen Sheers' 'White Ravens' is also a beautiful read, putting these tales into a 20-21st C setting. From his version in English (so not going on the original), Efnysien is the trickster-borderline psychopath but made that way with a permanently broken mind because of brutalisation as a soldier. This is not to excuse anyone's actions or to wax lyrical with a 'See, the source of it all is Medieval, no less, this plays out again' but there is newish literature out there that, in my opinion, takes a place on the other end of the scale from the way this is presented.

LindorDoubleChoc · 07/07/2026 14:41

"Sometimes we'd talk about it softly over breakfast, sometimes we'd sit outside in silence, letting the wind and birdsong fill the gaps that words couldn't reach. We were changed, both of us. Scarred, yes, but also sharpened, more awake to the fragility of things - the land, the sky, the small mercies we'd once taken for granted. As the autumn light faded over the hills, Amanda stood beside me on the field we'd once fought so hard for, her hand in mine"

I mean come ON!! This isn't the Year 7 creative writing competition Grin Grin Grin

User97463 · 07/07/2026 13:58

ConfusedOrca · 07/07/2026 10:32

I think I have worked out what happened. There was one original farm with a farm house and lots of surrounding land. The older couple buy the farm house, and they would also like to buy some of the additional land but not all of it, but they don't have enough money yet. In particular they want some paddocks. The original owner Bryn initially says he will wait to sell the land so that the couple can buy the paddocks they want, but then he changes his mind because it's too much paperwork. The crazy Collins offer to buy ALL of the land, including the paddocks, and Bryn agrees. They say that once they've bought the whole lot, they will sell the older couple the paddocks, because they are seemingly willing to partition the land up into smaller lots whereas Bryn isn't.

When they're about to purchase the land Collins says to the older couple I'm 10k short, can you lend it to me and it will be a deposit on the paddocks. That is why they agree - they're not just lending 10k out of the goodness of their hearts. It was because they thought it got them one step closer to owning the paddocks they wanted. The land sale goes through so Collins now owns ALL the land around the house. The agreed cost of the paddocks was 25k in total, so they then send the additional 15k and wait for Collins to sort out the paperwork. He then says he doesn't want to sell it to them after all and it seems like at this point it turns sour but it's not entirely clear why. Perhaps the older couple felt deceived and like it was a ploy all along. I'm not sure what Collins actually wanted after this - maybe he didn't want to pay the 25k back and claimed it was a gift or something. At first I wondered whether what he actually wanted was to buy the farmhouse so they could live the life that the older couple were living, which would make the initial fawning etc make more sense. But it doesn't sound like they ever had any intention of selling their house 4 miles away so not sure what the end game was, or if there actually was one or he was just a total nutter with no plan.

Obviously the main error the older couple made was not using a solicitor to purchase the paddock, but presumably they were trying to avoid fees and save everyone money. But they weren't just lending them money - they were trying to buy the paddocks.

That's definitely plausible but the part of their story that makes no sense is that Collins showed up with a brand new Harley Davidson. The older man "ran back to the house to Google the price of the bike" which came out as £25,000 and it was clearly bought with "his money". That scene is utterly bizarre.

Was it a totally fake scene shoehorned into the memoir to elicit sympathy or generate some kind of visual dramatic moment? Surely Googling the price of motorcycle is hardly a crazy epiphany. How did he know for sure the Collins spent exactly that money on the bike rather than just pocketing it and having spent it on something else?

If Collins bought a bike then that means they didn't spend the 25K on the paddock. Surely Byrn would have interfered by then since he didn't get paid? If they did spend the 25K on the land and simply didn't pay them back, where the did money for the bike come from?? Utterly baffling plot holes

And I'm not a expert in motorcycles but I'm positive the cost of a HD can vary hugely. Just like every single car brand can vary depending on whether you buy it second hand, at what mileage, what model etc. How on earth did that older man find a model that costs exactly 25K, conveniently corresponding with the same amount he lent them to buy land?

YerMasYerDa · 07/07/2026 13:52

nightowlzzz · 07/07/2026 12:48

“The kitchen smelled faintly of badgers and despair” 😆😆😆

Awful! But it did remind of my eldest son a few years ago when he was about 9. He tasted something I made for him and said it tasted of sadness🤣🤣 He was probably right.

Heylittlesongbird · 07/07/2026 13:44

I read it yesterday because it popped up on my facebook page being pushed by the guardian. The comments underneath the article were rather entertaining and picking up on the writing style.

It interested me though and I did some googling. It does appear to be verifiable and all rather strange. I can’t understand why the perpetrators had such a vendetta that they firebombed them. There must have been some very complex mental health issues.

I also found a press reader version of the story where the couple explained why they wanted to move to Wales. How they lived in an area with lots of chemicals on the land, their dogs kept getting cancer, they wanted to get away from this poisonous place etc. I did think, bet you didn’t disclose all that on your house seller pack!

Definite shades of Saltpath, but with some actual truth behind it.