To think that NT children miss out in school inclusion policies.

The SEN kids won't learn either if they are stuck at home with no school as many are.

Some of my most gifted students are ND. Everyone has the to shine. They are entitled to reasonable accommodations and guidance. NT students as well. It isn’t either/ or.

I said Disruptive kids. Many many ND kids arent. From the ( very few) ND people I know they thrived on calm and set rules. Obviously kids like that are also suffering from disruption.

Disruptive kids should not be allowed to disturb everyone else ND or no ND

I can only speak for a single village state primary school - but DS1 has multiple complex disabilities and DS2 is neurotypical and quite high achieving, and the school failed to meet either of their needs.

Well being in the classroom is just disruptive to everyone else. Why should 29 kids suffer due to one

They can start in the classroom but if disruptive then taken out

Do you not remember disruptive kids being sent out of class in school?

It is when the photocopier doubles as a printer and someone in another department has sent a load of worksheets to print which come out in several colours.

I do teach. You’d provide materials for a partially sighted child without resentment. It’s always ND children that get the flack on MN and it’s not ok.

The glasses analogy was in response to the op's idea that all children should have this tailored education if Sen children do, I was just pointing out that it's disability provision not the equivalent of a private tutor.

I know it's extra effort for teachers to provide and there might not be enough time/money/resources, I'm not doubting that. But it doesn't change the fact my child was born neuro-diverse and certain things could really help him get through school. If teachers didn't make the accommodations he would simply be left to suffer in silence and not affect anyone else I assure you.

Says someone who doesn’t teach! I’m not photocopying anything anyway!! I don’t print PowerPoints for the other kids. The printer is not physically located next to a computer.

What I’m saying is that lots of these tasks that people think are very small are actually not, especially when there are lots of them, for lots of different children. The things that we need to do are starting to become unmanageable and I feel like children and parents are being promised the earth but the reality is that teachers cannot manage the extra workload- we are only human

You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. You’re photocopying 30 sheets anyway. You need 3 of those in different colours. You simply put 3 coloured sheets in the paper drawer when you do the other 27. Not hard!

It was a direct quote from @Thechaseison71 hence my use of quotation marks, and the thread is about NT children “missing out on school inclusion” so I’ve inferred that they did.

One kid… no
several kids… different year groups…. Different PowerPoints…. Different colours…. It becomes an organisational nightmare which is certainly more than 2 mins work

Did anyone say they were?

Not the issue of the calm children to solve though is it. They have to give them a different provision, teach them how to behave THEN they might be allowed back in the classroom. Until then, no.

Photocopying which you get paid to do really isn’t a big ask. Putting a few pages of coloured paper into to the drawer before hitting print which you’re doing anyway isn’t a big job.

That’s an issue for the Local Authorities not the parent whose child isn’t given an opportunity to learn. I’d happily pay more tax so every child received ann adequate education.

An adequate education is one where a child:

1. is safeguarded and not in fear of violence
2. has a classroom environment free from disruption and are able to learn, and
3. is stretched to the extent of their abilities.

Actually it does, I need to find the right coloured paper, put it in printer, the batches need to be broken up as 1 kid needs blue, another yellow, another beige…and so on. Do you really think I don’t have other things to do in my PPA time?! There’s always a queue for the printer. It sounds like it’s a quick job but it’s really not. And it’s on top of so many other “quick jobs” that as I said, these sorts of tasks are really starting to feel overwhelming. If you dare forget you get threatened with legal action by parents!
As I said I’m human, I’m 1 person, and I’m being 100% realistic about my personal capacity for these tasks.

It’s not millions of colours and you have PPA time every week. Doesn’t take two minutes to send PowerPoints to the printer each week in one batch. It’s part of your job.

Neurodivergent children are not all “causing hassle for everyone else” by any stretch of the imagination.

Accommodations like glasses etc don’t affect anyone else.
accomodations like fiddle toys (latest research from EEF is saying no benefit anyway!) are distracting to all! Loud noises, argumentative behaviour, physical assault affects all children. Constant lateness to every lesson impacts every other child in that lesson. Needing support with every single task means other pupils don’t get any support.
This will be unpopular but even stuff like printing all PowerPoints, millions of different colours for different kids is starting to feel unsustainable. Some kids with ADHD don’t even have reasonable expectations of equipment as they can’t manage it, so it’s even more on the teacher. I don’t have any extra time in my timetable to print all these things. Printer is not near my classroom. Oh, and my school has no money for LSAs. Those with EHCP may have one if it is named in their EHCP but the vast vast majority do not. I teach 14 different classes each week by the way. It’s impossible to manage.

Having worked in schools for decades I can confirm that the words most commonly heard are data, attendance and Ofsted.

How will they learn to behave and socialise properly if in isolation all the time?

He started the preschool of the school of which his siblings goes to. I suspect they didn't start the EHCP until his place was confirmed and they are saying it is a long process and they don't get funding for him. Well if you had started it in September...! I will just have to keep my fingers crossed but it does feel mostly lip services and promises they can't keep. See what happens. There are two other children who are more severe who probably should be given an SEN school space going in with him too.

That might be what the comments have said, but the OP says that she doesn't like seeing that accommodations are being made for ND kids to cope with things like chill out areas and forest schools. Idk if NT children hate the forest or something? It's not clear what adjustments she thinks her bright, NT child needs.