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AIBU to point out that datacentres don't provide local employment?

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SadiraOfTyr · 06/07/2026 11:22

The government appears to be making a big deal about datacentres (AI or not) being a huge growth area. The reality is that datacentres, once built, employ virtually no-one - a handful of security guards and that's it. Maintenance, repairs, cooling and power, racking and cabling of servers, storage, and networking kit is intermittent and done by specialists brought in for the job. Most of the time datacentres are a (very noisy) ghost town.

Datacentres are all managed and run remotely by SREs (site reliability engineers) who can be stationed hundreds of miles away, and often in a different country.

YABU: Datacentres will provide thousands of high quality jobs in neglected parts of the country long after construction.
YANBU: The government is having the wool pulled over its eyes by big tech companies who, even if all these datacentres are completed, will never employ more than a handful of locals in low pay occupations such as security and cleaning.

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SerendipityJane · 31/07/2026 11:37

NoNewsisGood · 31/07/2026 11:14

Although, these days a lot of those shareholders are possibly pension funds and whatnot....still moving the wealth in one direction, but still. Shareholders are people too!

Oh quite. But they run the show. Customers be damned.

NoNewsisGood · 31/07/2026 11:14

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2026 09:59

Shareholders first Every Single Time.

It's not just nice. IT's THE LAW !

Although, these days a lot of those shareholders are possibly pension funds and whatnot....still moving the wealth in one direction, but still. Shareholders are people too!

SerendipityJane · 31/07/2026 09:59

NoNewsisGood · 31/07/2026 09:23

I think you are just not thinking about the shareholders enough 🤔

Shareholders first Every Single Time.

It's not just nice. IT's THE LAW !

NoNewsisGood · 31/07/2026 09:23

kirbykirby · 06/07/2026 11:45

Surely they're also completely environmentally unfriendly and energy and water intensive? Their existence seems to completely contradict everything we are told about reducing our energy footprint and industry causing climate change. How will they actually benefit normal people and how will their energy and water use impact sustainability and climate change?

I think you are just not thinking about the shareholders enough 🤔

Kinglassielassie · 31/07/2026 09:14

Ofgem gets involved:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9q90q9qnn2o

This seems to be more about places in the queue for the National Grid to build the connection infrastructure, but the article also says:
"the amount of electricity capacity being requested by projects seeking to connect to the grid had risen from 41 GW to 125 GW in the past year, reflecting a sharp increase in demand. This is significantly more than double 2025's peak electricity demand in Britain of around 46 GW."

curious79 · 08/07/2026 17:32

This is really simple…. Britain can be ahead of the wave in this area, and benefit economically, or pay other countries tries to provide these services at high prices

The mere construction of these will provide jobs

KoiTetra · 08/07/2026 17:29

SadiraOfTyr · 06/07/2026 11:50

I think many people see datacentres as a bit like Amazon warehouses - huge buildings which contain presumably thousands of busy employees.

Whereas in reality they are more like telephone exchanges, other than maintenance and installation of new kit, no-one actually needs to be there.

Here's a photo of what is currently the largest datacentre complex in the UK. Check out the size of the carparks, and the number of cars there, to get an idea of how many people actually work there (the carpark on the other side of the road in the bottom right is for other businesses, not the datacentres).

Ironically, this is on the site of the National Gas Turbine Establishment which at it's peak employed 1600 people mostly in well paid engineering roles.

To be fair that is a poor example, you have cut off the main car park and the business park the DC's are on has huge parking areas so it was never included in the design (I work on the park).

That being said the overall point does stand, that permanent staff in DC's are very low (again I know, I work in the early stage design).

SerendipityJane · 08/07/2026 17:13

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 08/07/2026 16:45

The constraints of a capitalist society means that "not economically viable" is the same thing as "can't".

You mean "Won't".

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 08/07/2026 16:45

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2026 16:03

Space construction is mainly engineering, really. Even the Apollo programme. Very few "can'ts" as long as you throw enough money at it.

The constraints of a capitalist society means that "not economically viable" is the same thing as "can't".

Kinglassielassie · 07/07/2026 16:31

BBC News about to do a segment on datacentres and the National Grid.

UniquePinkSwan · 07/07/2026 15:05

I really don’t care if they do or not tbh

Kinglassielassie · 06/07/2026 19:19

Datacenter growth may run into a power wall by 2030
Energy consumed by datacenters is set to grow 26 percent this year thanks to AI, and grid supply may be unable to keep pace with demand by 2030, Gartner warns.
The research giant expects global datacenter electricity consumption to reach 565 terawatt-hours (TWh) in 2026, as power demand rises from 104 GW in 2025 to 132 GW this year.
This is higher than the 500 TWh per year Gartner estimated two years ago that AI-optimized servers would consume by 2027.
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Power grid operators and datacenter developers in the US in particular are in a bind, as The Register reported recently, and energy analysts can't see an easy way out.
https://www.theregister.com/on-prem/2026/06/10/datacenter-growth-may-run-into-a-power-wall-by-2030/5253635

KatiePricesKnickers · 06/07/2026 18:46

@Kinglassielassie Thx.

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2026 17:12

Kinglassielassie · 06/07/2026 16:56

And one might want to bear in mind that opening such a datacentre without ILI building the additional power generation infrastructure could cause energy shortages. In fact even if they built their own generator, they'd still have to buy gas on the world market.

No one at ILI seems to want to talk about this. Whenever they mention power they try to obfuscate and wave the problem away.

A datacentre of this magnitude could lead to price increases and even brown-outs. A wealthy datacentre would be able to out-compete local people, business and facilities for the available power – including people who need to heat their homes or run medical equipment because they have cancer, and including the local hospitals delivering that cancer treatment.

Well energy is just another resource.

If you follow a political system that makes resources commodities then you have to follow the environment it creates.

I can't say I particularly wanted that sort of world. But hey, democracy.

E2A: Other resources are water, air and humans.

Kinglassielassie · 06/07/2026 16:56

And one might want to bear in mind that opening such a datacentre without ILI building the additional power generation infrastructure could cause energy shortages. In fact even if they built their own generator, they'd still have to buy gas on the world market.

No one at ILI seems to want to talk about this. Whenever they mention power they try to obfuscate and wave the problem away.

A datacentre of this magnitude could lead to price increases and even brown-outs. A wealthy datacentre would be able to out-compete local people, business and facilities for the available power – including people who need to heat their homes or run medical equipment because they have cancer, and including the local hospitals delivering that cancer treatment.

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2026 16:50

This caught my eye last week. There is a lot being thrown at energy generation and storage right now.

Sodium batteries are starting to look viable too.

And every watt of balcony solar that can be harvested and used - whether directly or through storage - is one watt less you need to find from the grid.

https://www.theregister.com/systems/2026/07/03/startup-targets-datacenters-with-3d-printed-nuclear-reactor-module/5266480

Startup targets datacenters with 3D-printed nuclear reactor module

Fancy a thorium microreactor capable of delivering up to 30 MWe of juice for up to 30 years?

https://www.theregister.com/systems/2026/07/03/startup-targets-datacenters-with-3d-printed-nuclear-reactor-module/5266480

Kinglassielassie · 06/07/2026 16:41

Their plan is to use the energy currently being used by everyone else. They can get the cabling in, sure enough, directly and via the National Grid.

But they're not planning to generate the energy. Just take what's currently being used by Scottish residents and businesses.

An increase of 20% in energy demand is massive. Massive. It can't be absorbed by putting up a few solar panels...

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/business-environment/business/5504466/fife-auchtertool-data-centre-ceo-mark-wilson/
The 52-year-old told The Courier: “Fife is great for us, due to the amount of renewables that have been built in the area. It means we’re able to do private wire from existing wind farms, from battery projects, from solar projects. We’re able to get connections into the grid. So we can get power purchase agreements from offshore wind.

EXCLUSIVE: Man behind controversial £5bn Fife AI data centre plan says project will 'transform' region

The boss of ILI Group says work on the 25-hectare development could start as early as next year.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/business-environment/business/5504466/fife-auchtertool-data-centre-ceo-mark-wilson/

KatiePricesKnickers · 06/07/2026 16:25

@Kinglassielassie If energy is the issue, why are they suggesting to build the data centers at those locations?
And I’m not being argumentative, the data centers will surely fail if they cannot get the power they need. There must be a plan?

KatiePricesKnickers · 06/07/2026 16:22

I’m surprised/not surprised that there are posters saying that cancer doesn’t need a cure.
These people obviously haven’t had a loved one turn into a living skeleton in front of their own eyes before suffering a horrendous and terrible death.

LasagneGoblin · 06/07/2026 16:22

LittleBrownBaby · 06/07/2026 15:57

I’ve visited loads of data centres as part of my job and there are plenty of local people working at them. There are also a lot of ex military, security, engineer roles that may mean people move to an area, but as an example I have been to a huge data centre in Ireland and it felt about 80% local workers.

I’ve been to data centres in northern Sweden and in Denmark and the US and they were mostly locals (again electrical engineers, typical health and safety type roles) with maybe around 30-40% who had moved specifically for the roles.

So not just one man and his dog on security and a couple of cleaners then! Are you able to say roughly how many on-site employees in the largest ones?

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2026 16:03

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/07/2026 15:56

There are surprisingly few orbits were you stay in the sun 24/7 as the earth gets in the way for nearly all of them. Typical satellites deal with that by relying on batteries while they're in the shade but the battery capacity limits their power load. Data centres need a lot of power.

Meanwhile, all the time your satellite is sitting in direct sunlight it's getting hit with over 1KW of radiant energy per square metre as there's no atmosphere to protect it. Only a small fraction of that energy can be usefully converted to electricity and the rest just makes your satellite hotter. Even worse, space is a vacuum and vacuums are really efficient insulators. That's why Thermos flasks keep your tea hot for so long and also why the International Space Station has absolutely enormous radiators to help it dump the heat and avoid cooking its occupants.

Space construction is mainly engineering, really. Even the Apollo programme. Very few "can'ts" as long as you throw enough money at it.

SadiraOfTyr · 06/07/2026 15:59

@GasperyJacquesRoberts and all the radiation that you DO manage to convert into electrical power ends up as heat anyway.

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