To say the anti-football lot need to calm down a little?

The thing that annoys me is the assumption that people who hate football are middle class. I grew up in a working class family and i have never liked football. People shouldn't be made to feel guilty just because they like different things.

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You don't need to live right near the pub to feel the effects on your neighbourhood. If you shop in the high street or have friends and neighbours near a pub the state is there as you go about your business.

We are probably of an age and our memories become quite subjective. I saw (and celebrated) the final - but the rest? Nope, nowhere near the hysteria demonstrated these days.

As you rightly say, noone is forced to watch it.

My main complaint though, was the OPs rudeness towards those that dared to disagree with her. I'm sure in real life this person would not be so offensive.

That can also apply to parents of young children.

However, whether they are actually "capable" is another issue.

Gary Hart went to jail for 5 years for driving after gaming all night and ending up on a railway track as a train came along and several people died.

Anyway hopefully nobody died on Monday morning due to drunk driving.

No. I have an opinion and it differs from yours, but nevertheless I’m allowed to express it. You’ve been all over the thread criticising the attitudes and opinions of others who don’t share your view. You’re kind of the antithesis of the OP’s thread title.

I watched the lead up to, and including, the World Cup final in 1966 - the excitement etc was just the same as now.

It’s our national game.

But, now, as then, no one is forced to watch it. 🤷‍♀️

No, what's "fucking weird" is your response.

So no then. Nothing to say.

You're clearly ok with her accusing that poster of lying. Fucking weird.

Some comments don't need a substantive reply.

Roll your eyes all you want.

Or do you actually have something to say?

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You're absolutely disgusting to decry another woman's lived experience regarding the birth of her baby.

And as someone said on another thread, they make her take a whole day off to leave an hour or so early to attend her child's sports day but people can take a couple of hours to watch a football match which they could have watched on catch-up at a more sensible time. I can totally see why that is galling.

Agreed.

I've often said that no hobby is imposed on people are much as pet (yes I mean dog) ownership is.

But I forgot about football. If other sports are going on it's perfectly possible to avoid them and you only find out what's going on if you actually go and look at the results but football is impossible to avoid.

It's a good reason to be glad and hopeful for the next game. It's not a good reason for acting like there's never going to be another WC, that children who don't get to see this one game will be scarred for life, etc. And a lot of the hoo-ha about watching the game related to the likelihood of England going out - last chance to see them, etc. (Although again it was as though England were never going to qualify again, or reach the last 16. You'd think we were disbanding the team forever after this match, the way some were carrying on).

Yes, the OP did flounce off, but TBF, when she was getting comments suggesting she was 'controlling and abusive', I am not surprised.

As it turns out, now the game was won, we might actually get the genuinely historic moment of making it to the final.

My remark was aimed at the OP, who I quoted! 😅

It’s a bit of a weird comparison anyway as vast majority people who watch theatre will do so live. Vast majority watching football do so on TV.

My child watched it and has gone into school today. That was the deal. He was allowed to stay up but he wasn’t having the day off school.
He was keen to go in anyway so wasn’t an issue. I’m not keeping him off just because he’s a bit tired.

I'm not a big football league fan but love watching international tournaments. The only reason I didn't stay up is because the match would be available on iPlayer straight away. Got up at 6.30 when my 6 year old son usually wakes and we watched it together before school. Turned my phone notifications off so no spoilers, and we really enjoyed a great game. So no one was tired (except my husband who stayed up as he refused to believe the BBC would make the match available immediately with no spoilers 😂)

I haven't noticed people who don't like football being angry, but I guess they might be annoyed at others seemingly getting special treatment because they chose to stay up late to watch a football match.

unfortunately football has a long association with violence in the same way other sports don’t, and that needs to be addressed and understood.

This.

Now compare stadium size with theatre size. As I said earlier, many West End theatres won't get the same audience in a week of performances that the smallest PL stadium gets on a Saturday.

Old Trafford has a capacity of over 74,000. The largest WE theatre seats just under 2,400.

I think snarky bastard attitudes like this might explain some of it 🤷‍♀️

Agree. No one should be blaming football for increased DV (cough cough, Reform, cough cough) but to deny there is a link isn’t acceptable and doesn’t support DV victims. We need to accept and discuss these statistics in order to protect victims. Of course the answer is ‘perpetrators should just not do it’ but in order to get to that point we need to look at triggers, and unfortunately football has a long association with violence in the same way other sports don’t, and that needs to be addressed and understood.

Where did I say you think it's acceptable?

I specifically said the problem is a cultural one.

I think there is a widespread social acceptance that men can't be expected to control their emotions (and bladders!) when it comes to football, and that helps create the context that enables/noramlises violence includng DV. That is what I wanted to say, and what I said.

DV is at the individual level a problem with the behaviour of individual men, but if we ignore the ways our culture tacticly forgives and even enables it, one of which is "it is understandable for men to be emotionally out of control when it's football" we will never stop it happening.

I didn't pick out the rest of your post (other than to note I agree with you) because it wasn't relevant to the point I wanted to make, because it's about the actions of clubs not the cultural context.