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Neighbour cultivating fox den

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Sunnyday14558 · 05/07/2026 09:25

Our neighbour has actively been getting foxes to nest in her garden. We live on the outskirts of a city so I’m not entirely sure why she’s luring them into a semi detached property from woodland half a mile away. Anyhow, we now have a family living in her garden and the noise at night is keeping us awake. We have two children under 4 and have found a dead rat in their play area and fox poo all over the lawn. The patio also stinks from fox wee so we can’t open our windows downstairs. I literally have no idea what to do as we’ve tried fox deterrents before and nothing seems to work. I want to confront her about it but I’m pretty sure she’ll accuse me of being mean to the foxes. A someone please give me some thoughts on how to approach this? Is encouraging foxes to live in an urban garden really kind for them? I ask because it sounds like they’re ripping each other apart at night with the fighting.

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Tekknonan · 05/07/2026 17:59

I've had foxes in my garden for year, causing no problems. The only poo issue is when they leave a 'thank you' if I put some leftovers out for them which I do occasionally. (I mean, a card or maybe a flower would be nice, but clearly we see these things differently). They also got rid of a potential rat problem. You could fox proof your garden. They won't have made a den next door because she's been enticing them in - it must seem better than the local woodland to them. Tbh, I love watching my foxes. Badgers have started arriving as well. It's fascinating, like my own private Springwatch.

Crwysmam · 05/07/2026 17:51

My Labrador prepares herself to attack any trespassing foxes by rolling in their poo regularly. We live rurally and have never been visited by the local fox population because unfortunately for the dog she is showered and deodorised before she is allowed back in the house so our garden still smells of labrador. No self respecting fox will enter the garden of a big dog. The rats tend to give us a wide berth too.

Moles and woodpeckers are actually a bigger problem with regard to lawn maintenance. And my DH has an ongoing battle with the local woodpidgeon population who frequently nest in our garden. We do have Wrens and Robins nesting but they are allowed. DH is a country boy so hates foxes and badgers but loves songbirds, apart from the blackbird that wakes him up every morning singing its heart out outside our bedroom window.

Foxes are vermin and will kill a whole coop of chickens without eating a bite. Badgers carry TB so frequently end up as road kill locally although it’s unlikely they were hit by a car. And as for deer they are a bloody menace. I probably see at least one deer a week killed on our road, unfortunately it’s usually the youngsters. My DS hit one last year, he did go back to make sure it was dead, but it had done £3k of damage to his car. The road we live on has grassy banked verges so when a deer jumps down in front of you it’s either you or them.

TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease · 05/07/2026 17:10

Sunnyday14558 · 05/07/2026 17:06

Thank you for the clarification. Tbh it’s only the past couple of weeks when they’ve been really noisy and all over our garden. If they’re leaving soon we can probably just get on with it. Do you know whether they are likely to come back to the same den year after year?

The vixen who chose to have her cubs under our shed never came back. Because we have a quiet enclosed garden, some of the seven cubs did come back to visit several times, often lying on the lawn in the sun, a beautiful sight, until the autumn. None of the local faces have tried to use the same site for a den since then - nearly 10 years ago.

Sunnyday14558 · 05/07/2026 17:06

TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease · 05/07/2026 15:40

Fox cubs are born in February, start to come out of the den in April and the family will then disperse in July. So they will all be gone soon.

Foxes and other carrion eaters are a really essential part of the ecosystem. Don’t demonise them.

Thank you for the clarification. Tbh it’s only the past couple of weeks when they’ve been really noisy and all over our garden. If they’re leaving soon we can probably just get on with it. Do you know whether they are likely to come back to the same den year after year?

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Friendlygingercat · 05/07/2026 16:07

There is a business park behind with overgrown grounds where foxes have their dens, In the past I have had several families of foxes caught on my cctv. I dont feed them in summer because foxes are omnivorous and will eat most anything. I have been known to leave food scraps out in winter but I don't know if its cats or foxes who eat it.

ASingleDayOnVenus · 05/07/2026 15:58

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Poisoning foxes causes them huge suffering and is extremely cruel. It's also illegal. Additionally, it is not effective in the long run, as if your garden is attractive to foxes (due to food being left out, easy access to shelter etc), it will be occupied by another fox within days of you poisoning the original one.

If you don't want foxes, make your garden less attractive or try the humane deterrents.

ASingleDayOnVenus · 05/07/2026 15:53

LilacHam · 05/07/2026 14:33

It's not nonsense. Foxes frequently attack and kill pets in gardens. And I didn't say it wasn't rare that they attack humans but when they do it's usually infants so for that reason alone people shouldn't be encouraging them into urban areas even if you don't care about pet cats, rabbits, guinea pigs or chickens being killed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-21399709

https://www.bbc.com/news/10251349

https://news.sky.com/story/fox-could-have-ripped-baby-to-pieces-in-attack-at-familys-home-11250657

And of course it's not nonsense that wildlife can cause structural damage to homes with setts or burrows.

Foxes more with sheds, porches and decking. Badgers can fuck the foundations of your house.

https://vergo.uk/pest-facts/problems-badgers-can-cause/#:~:text=Structural%20Damage,a%20risk%20to%20property%20stability.

"Badger setts are complex and extensive, sometimes stretching hundreds of metres. When built under or near buildings, these tunnels can lead to subsidence, cracked walls, or uneven floors, posing a risk to property stability"

I think its important to keep things in perspective. It's "extremely rare" for foxes to attack people, as the first line in the first article you attacked explained. It's very laudable that you're so keen to protect children from injury, but you'd prevent far more accidents if you campaigned against trampolines, playground equipment, or even the humble pencil - all of which cause far more (and more serious) injuries to children than foxes do.

Foxes do attack and kill small pets (not usually cats, which are almost as big as foxes and generally more than capable of using their claws to defend themselves). But really, that's on the owner of the guinea pig/rabbit/chickens, who should be ensuring that their prey-animal pets' accomodation keeps them safe from all predators, be they cats, sparrow hawks, or foxes.

If you feel that foxes (and this thread is about foxes, not badgers) are damaging your decking or shed, wait until the autumn when the cubs have left and then put a pile of leaves, twigs etc in the entrance hole (loose enough that any foxes that are already in can get out). If these remain undisturbed for several days, the foxes are no longer using this space and you can block off the entrance using mesh.

TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease · 05/07/2026 15:40

Fox cubs are born in February, start to come out of the den in April and the family will then disperse in July. So they will all be gone soon.

Foxes and other carrion eaters are a really essential part of the ecosystem. Don’t demonise them.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/07/2026 15:36

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People really need to stop believing what they heard about foxes when they were being read bedtime stories.

Foxes don't kill for pleasure, they kill for food and, being intelligent creatures, will store (or cache) additional meat in the knowledge that they will be able to eat it later.

They're far less a risk to children than the family dog - they're less likely to trip them up coming down the stairs, for a start - and it's not their fault stupid humans put some of their natural food sources (rabbits, rodents, poultry) in shabby little cages and boxes with fuck all protection or create other food sources by running over cats with their cars or by putting carrion - as in chicken carcasses and the like - in flimsy plastic bags on the street.

Like all wild animals (and cats, dogs, sheep, cows, horses, fwuffy ickle bunny wabbits...), they may bite if frightened, trapped, wounded or if their young are disturbed or put at risk.

The only murderous little bastards in the equation are humans.

HerbaceousQuestions · 05/07/2026 15:33

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 05/07/2026 14:59

At the risk of sounding flippant, bet you any money you’d have a queue were you to advertise the need 🤣
Both my sons went through a ‘wild wee’ stage. We had a 3 storey house and they’d go all the way down to the back garden and out, passing toilets on the way.

I read an anecdote from a (male) dog behaviourist about an explorer in a frozen wasteland deterring the wolves that had begun to circle his house by peeing round the perimeter. Not sure it should be normalised.

Monty36 · 05/07/2026 15:30

LilacHam · 05/07/2026 15:16

I'm not technically correct. It's just correct.

And I agree we're overpopulated but as you just said, we have land that can't be built on. Huge amounts of it. I agree.

Your original post that I responded to was you saying mankind was using every available bit of land so wildlife was being forced out.

Which as I said simply isn't true.

There's 91% of the UK that hasn't been built on for housing, roads or car parks that foxes and other wildlife can live in. They're not being forced out of their natural habitat, they're moving away from their natural habitat because natural hunting and foraging is harder work than eating leftover KFC that a litterer has left on the road or because people and businesses have overflowing bins full of fox delights.

And because Doris down the road feeds them beautifully prepared a la carte food because it makes her feel good, special and a superior person and she can 'do what she likes in her own garden'.

We will have to disagree.
I say technically correct because yes, that figure is right. But not correct in a sense or view that we can carry on as we are and we have far more we can and perhaps should build on.

All sorts of wildlife are finding their environment picked off because of humans.
Even if you say foxes are coming into urban areas because of KFC litter who produces that ! Humans do.

We don’t know the lady who is feeding the foxes. Nor her age nor name. I wasn’t advocating people should feed foxes. Just that we should acknowledge we have encroached on their and many other species environment and we don’t own the planet.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 05/07/2026 15:29

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fetchacloth · 05/07/2026 15:24

YANBU
Foxes are vermin and carry diseases. They also attack people's pets.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 05/07/2026 15:23

rageconsumesme · 05/07/2026 10:46

My dog disappeared late at night and when calling him, my neighbour popped out her bedroom window and said 'Your dog is eating my fox food with medicine in it!'
She had put mange medicine in it. I was furious.
Fortunately the dog was fine but still, what a selfish t*at.

Isn’t your garden secure so your dog can’t get out? Pretty sure that’s on you, and before you start I have a dog and it’s my job to make sure she doesn’t escape and doesn’t eat things she shouldn’t.

Kind of her to try and help the fox that is in discomfort.

There is nothing you go do @Sunnyday14558 . It’s not illegal, you don’t have to like it, but we all do things our neighbours don’t like and unless it is unlawful there’s nothing to be done. Don’t let it eat you up.

fyi the noise is more likely mating/communicating than fighting

AgentPidge · 05/07/2026 15:21

sesquipedalian · 05/07/2026 10:21

Foxes are a menace. Don’t forget they have been known to attack babies - there are several reports if you google. https://news.sky.com/story/fox-could-have-ripped-baby-to-pieces-in-attack-at-familys-home-11250657

Someone writing in the Guardian who had trouble with foxes wrote that in terms of a deterrent, “Most effective of all, however, has been the most hi-tech solution – a passive infrared device connected to a garden hose which senses motion, triggering a quick and noisy arc of water towards the intruder.”

One of those attacks turned out to be by an Alsatian. The family blamed a fox because they didn't want the dog to get the blame.

LilacHam · 05/07/2026 15:16

Monty36 · 05/07/2026 14:36

You may be technically correct. But also true is the fact we are over populated. That we have built on far more land than we should have done. In doing so we have encroached on other species. We have land that cannot be built on. Land used for farming and agriculture. Land for landfill sites.

We do not own the planet. We share it with other species. Or should try to do so.

I'm not technically correct. It's just correct.

And I agree we're overpopulated but as you just said, we have land that can't be built on. Huge amounts of it. I agree.

Your original post that I responded to was you saying mankind was using every available bit of land so wildlife was being forced out.

Which as I said simply isn't true.

There's 91% of the UK that hasn't been built on for housing, roads or car parks that foxes and other wildlife can live in. They're not being forced out of their natural habitat, they're moving away from their natural habitat because natural hunting and foraging is harder work than eating leftover KFC that a litterer has left on the road or because people and businesses have overflowing bins full of fox delights.

And because Doris down the road feeds them beautifully prepared a la carte food because it makes her feel good, special and a superior person and she can 'do what she likes in her own garden'.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 05/07/2026 15:06

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/07/2026 10:54

Foxes eat rats.

I was just about to say that. And mice too. But as I’ve seen and the cat has caught rats in my garden this year the foxes aren’t catching them all.

Malinia · 05/07/2026 15:03

redboxerclub · 05/07/2026 13:03

as an aside
onnlocal news this week there was woman who opens her windows during the heatwave and pigeons built a nest on the spare bed. AND SHE LET THEM MOVE IN 🤢she now shares a house with pigeons and it turns my stomach typing it

YANBU

I would be thrilled if this happened to me! Pigeons are awesome.

Malinia · 05/07/2026 15:01

My neighbour has foxes living in her garden and i love it when they come into ours! It's so cute to see their cubs and they often sunbathe on our lawn. We don't experience any issues with them.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 05/07/2026 14:59

HerbaceousQuestions · 05/07/2026 14:42

In the past I have found this works to deter cats, but do not currently have a man who would agree to such behaviour. all very proper

At the risk of sounding flippant, bet you any money you’d have a queue were you to advertise the need 🤣
Both my sons went through a ‘wild wee’ stage. We had a 3 storey house and they’d go all the way down to the back garden and out, passing toilets on the way.

HerbaceousQuestions · 05/07/2026 14:42

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 05/07/2026 14:18

Yes, your menfolk need to pee around your garden, sorry.

In the past I have found this works to deter cats, but do not currently have a man who would agree to such behaviour. all very proper

HerbaceousQuestions · 05/07/2026 14:40

In a few thousand years, foxes will evolve into foxdogs.

Humans probably had this kind of conversation when prehistoric neighbours were buddying up with wolves.

Monty36 · 05/07/2026 14:36

LilacHam · 05/07/2026 14:14

If you include roads and car parks as well as housing, less than 10% of the UK is built on.

I can only think that people that think mankind has built on/destroyed every piece of land don't leave their street very often.

You may be technically correct. But also true is the fact we are over populated. That we have built on far more land than we should have done. In doing so we have encroached on other species. We have land that cannot be built on. Land used for farming and agriculture. Land for landfill sites.

We do not own the planet. We share it with other species. Or should try to do so.

Frequency · 05/07/2026 14:34

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They are not a risk to your children. They also don't kill for fun. If they kill surplus prey, it is with the intention of returning to retrieve it and eat it.

Poisoning wildlife instead of fox-proofing your pet's habitat, otoh, does make you a murderous bastard.

LilacHam · 05/07/2026 14:33

ASingleDayOnVenus · 05/07/2026 13:35

What nonsense!

Simply putting out food for foxes doesn't lead to "wildlife attacking humans because they have no natural fear anymore". The "danger" comes if people try to handheld or pet foxes - but even then, the main danger is to the foxes who may think that all humans are friendly and give them food...and that doesn't end well for the foxes. There are vanishingly few cases of foxes attacking humans in this country (ie where foxes don't suffer from rabies, which does make animals behave aggressively).

And structural damage to houses? Come on!

It's not nonsense. Foxes frequently attack and kill pets in gardens. And I didn't say it wasn't rare that they attack humans but when they do it's usually infants so for that reason alone people shouldn't be encouraging them into urban areas even if you don't care about pet cats, rabbits, guinea pigs or chickens being killed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-21399709

https://www.bbc.com/news/10251349

https://news.sky.com/story/fox-could-have-ripped-baby-to-pieces-in-attack-at-familys-home-11250657

And of course it's not nonsense that wildlife can cause structural damage to homes with setts or burrows.

Foxes more with sheds, porches and decking. Badgers can fuck the foundations of your house.

https://vergo.uk/pest-facts/problems-badgers-can-cause/#:~:text=Structural%20Damage,a%20risk%20to%20property%20stability.

"Badger setts are complex and extensive, sometimes stretching hundreds of metres. When built under or near buildings, these tunnels can lead to subsidence, cracked walls, or uneven floors, posing a risk to property stability"

An urban fox - file picture

Fox attacked baby boy in own home, police say

A four-week-old baby boy was attacked by a fox in his home in south London, the Metropolitan Police says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-21399709

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