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AIBU to refuse a Year 9 staying up for the 1am match?

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BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 07:58

Is this unreasonable?
Apparently "every other mum" is letting their school year 9 kid watch the 1am match tonight and phone in sick to school tomorrow morning then go in at lunch.
I've said no to staying up to watch it. Starts at 1am, it will go on till 3:30am, or later if extra time!
DS has to get up at 6:30 for school.
DH says let him, keeps going on about once every 4 years experience, it's only 1 night, etc. And he says it will be the final England match - they'll be knocked out by Mexico tonight so there will be no other England games to watch after tonight.
DS badly needs his sleep and at 14 he still needs a solid 11 hours to function.
Is anyone else letting their DC watch it live tonight?
AIBU?

OP posts:
BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 13:25

Blackcatahotcat · 05/07/2026 13:06

Free reign? Is he the King?

Fair point from a pedant.
That was my pred text and I didn't read it back in time to edit and remove the g.

OP posts:
likeafishneedsabike · 05/07/2026 13:25

BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 13:21

No, I haven't. I've got some nutter telling me it's a serious matter and needs looking in to that a teenager needs 10 hours sleep a night.

Checking out now as once we have posters using The Sun headline language like ‘nutter’ we know that there is no point trying to communicate meaningfully.
I hope that you can take the excellent advice on this thread and allow your son to enjoy the occasion without anxiety on your part.

IonianNerveGrip · 05/07/2026 13:25

ObelixtheGaul · 05/07/2026 12:33

Oh, I get that it's a one off in terms of a late night for this tournament. The shared experience with their peers and family (although not in OP's case, as she's said neither her nor DH will stay up) I also understand.

But I still don't think it's a bad point to make that this isn't going to be the last ever WC, it's not the final, it's not so rare that we get this far and it really isn't the seminal moment people are making it out to be. Yes, it's an exciting thing for children to do, but I suspect for some it's the being allowed to be up at that time that will have more appeal than the actual event, not to mention, as OP said, some children being told they can skive off for it in the morning.

I genuinely think parents make more of a big deal out of this than the kids do, to be honest, and if it wasn't being hyped up so much, most kids wouldn't expect to be watching it at that time.

As I said, I think it should be OP's son's choice at 14 to watch it, with the caveat that he still has to get up and got to school at the normal time. But if he doesn't watch it, he won't be the only one and it isn't like he's missed history in the making or anything. And if he does remember for a while that his mum didn't let him watch it, but his dad said he could, so what? I'm sure we all had those times, things we thought were so important, and our parents didn't agree but the naysayer won. I know I have. Why is this any more of a big deal than the concert dad agreed to but mum said no to, or the trip away with a friend, or whatever?

Thing is, the poster specifically placed it in the context of others having mentioned one offs. So if someone wants to make the point in the way you do here, it needs to be done without making it about what other people meant when they used a term that could be more widely defined.

And I don't think the importance of it to many teenagers can be stripped from the hype either. The hype is part of the reason they care, it's the context that exists and that OP can't opt him out of.

He won't be the only one who doesn't watch it, but it's quite conceivable he'll be the only one who wanted to watch it and wasn't allowed to. Not least because a lot of parents of 14 year olds would be making the decision in the knowledge that the child might be so wound up and pissed off they don't sleep properly anyway.

MargaretThursday · 05/07/2026 13:25

I'd use it as a means of getting other behaviour benefits if he wants it.

So he needs to tidy his room this morning, spend the afternoon without screens, and try and have a sleep say from 8pm until midnight.
Then tomorrow when he comes home he needs to do his homework and again be in bed by 8pm to try and catch up on sleep.

Growing up we watched very little TV. We had one TV, a black and white tiny one with 3 volumes (off, intermittent and far too loud) and had to be tuned turning the knob and moving the aerial. Far too much hassle to do! I had understanding friends, and kind of carved a niche for myself as the one who would listen to people raving about TV programmes without having seen it.
My siblings, who struggled far more socially found it a huge barrier.

I'd have told ds that he needed to tidy his room, and make sure all his homework was done and have a shower before the match - and keep the noise down when watching so he didn't wake anyone else.

katepilar · 05/07/2026 13:24

Ineffable23 · 05/07/2026 08:52

I don't think I know or know of any 14 year olds who sleep 7:30pm to 6:30am as would be required given his getting up time?

Lots of activities for 14 year olds (e.g. explorer scouts) wouldn't even start til 7pm. I'm pretty sure our cub group for 8-10 year olds used to run til 8pm and scouts (10-14) til 9.

Are you trying to say that just because some activity groups run late in to the evening there cant be children/teens who go to bed early to get enough sleep?

Yes, it does suck when you need more sleep than majority of other people and cant do things because of that.

PumpkinPieAlibi · 05/07/2026 13:24

BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 13:21

No, I haven't. I've got some nutter telling me it's a serious matter and needs looking in to that a teenager needs 10 hours sleep a night.

No need to call someone a nutter. Your son might be fine but 10-11 hours sleep every night is unusual for a teenager.

Anyway, you don't even seem open to feedback.
Why exactly is one night of disrupted sleep going to be so detrimental to your DS, especially when he's so healthy and happy?

It's in once in a lifetime event, let him have this.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 05/07/2026 13:23

Its being reshown in full at 7-10 am on BBC2

UpDownAllAround1 · 05/07/2026 13:22

record it and ds get up at 5 to watch

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 05/07/2026 13:22

Red Bull on the way to school

ginton · 05/07/2026 13:21

My son is yr 9 and will be staying up and missing school if he’s too tired. It’s the end of the year they aren’t doing anything at school, they finished exam week last week, it’s all quizzes and alternative learning.

Those saying it’s every 4 years are wrong. This is literally a one off in our kids lifetime of being a kid, this is the only 1am Ko, if they get through the next games are earlier, the next World Cup is in Europe so the Ko times will be more respectable, 8 years time is Saudi by then my 14 yr old will prob be there in person!

BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 13:21

likeafishneedsabike · 05/07/2026 13:19

There is a tiny weeny possibility that you’ve taken this a bit personally ……

No, I haven't. I've got some nutter telling me it's a serious matter and needs looking in to that a teenager needs 10 hours sleep a night.

OP posts:
likeafishneedsabike · 05/07/2026 13:19

BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 13:14

Not when the 14 year old concerned wakes up every morning full of the joys of spring, has a massive smile on their face when saying good morning, chats away about looking forward to their day ahead, sings along to R1 in their morning shower, leaves for school on time every single day without any delays, comes home from school saying they've had a great day and chats about what happened during their day, happily goes off to their different sports clubs after school Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, without fail, never too tired to go, goes to the gym with friends to exercise regularly, goes jogging with his DF and loves it, and goes on 4 hour mountain bike rides cross country at weekends returning full of vitality and enthusiasm, swims every week, is always in a happy mood, loves life, laughs throughout every day, eats a very healthy diet with a hearty appetite, plays music, makes music, has masses of interests and hobbies and is brimming with energy for all the above.....but needs 10 hours sleep and wakes feeling great after sleeping like a log......no. I don't think it's 'worth looking at'.
I think any GP would ask me why I had booked an appointment for him once they'd taken a full history.
Why are you medicalising a healthy teenager who is needing 10 hours of sleep?
Why are you projecting your health anxiety on to us?
''A serious matter''😂

There is a tiny weeny possibility that you’ve taken this a bit personally ……

Itscominghometoscotland · 05/07/2026 13:18

I would let him stay up. It’s a one-off.

Animalobsessed · 05/07/2026 13:18

This will be a huge childhood memory for him. Let him stay up. This is a big deal to him. You don’t need to “understand”. You just need to make it a special event for him.

LividSun · 05/07/2026 13:16

All I'm saying is I have three "bouncy at the best of times" classes of year ten boys tomorrow. Add football and end of year-it-is and it's going to be INTERESTING.

Will probably get a learning walk and told it's my fault their heads are on the desk.

(Sob)

BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 13:14

likeafishneedsabike · 05/07/2026 12:50

It’s not funny. It’s a serious matter. A 14 year old who sleeps 10 hours or more a night might (might) have an underlying health need. They might just be a very sleepy person - but it’s worth looking at isn’t it?

Not when the 14 year old concerned wakes up every morning full of the joys of spring, has a massive smile on their face when saying good morning, chats away about looking forward to their day ahead, sings along to R1 in their morning shower, leaves for school on time every single day without any delays, comes home from school saying they've had a great day and chats about what happened during their day, happily goes off to their different sports clubs after school Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, without fail, never too tired to go, goes to the gym with friends to exercise regularly, goes jogging with his DF and loves it, and goes on 4 hour mountain bike rides cross country at weekends returning full of vitality and enthusiasm, swims every week, is always in a happy mood, loves life, laughs throughout every day, eats a very healthy diet with a hearty appetite, plays music, makes music, has masses of interests and hobbies and is brimming with energy for all the above.....but needs 10 hours sleep and wakes feeling great after sleeping like a log......no. I don't think it's 'worth looking at'.
I think any GP would ask me why I had booked an appointment for him once they'd taken a full history.
Why are you medicalising a healthy teenager who is needing 10 hours of sleep?
Why are you projecting your health anxiety on to us?
''A serious matter''😂

OP posts:
PetulaGordeno · 05/07/2026 13:13

LBFseBrom · 05/07/2026 13:10

Let him stay up to watch, it's only one night, won't kill him to have less sleep for once.

I agree. I remember being allowed to stay up to watch Scotland in 1978… and I am English.
He won’t be the only tired kid tomorrow and a few of the teachers will be as well.
It is near the end of term as well.

Kokonimater · 05/07/2026 13:12

He’s 14!

he’ll remember this forever.
get him to have a sleep maybe 10 til 12.30 then get up , watch it and go back for an hour or two. He will survive!!

LBFseBrom · 05/07/2026 13:10

Let him stay up to watch, it's only one night, won't kill him to have less sleep for once.

Blackcatahotcat · 05/07/2026 13:06

BlackTulipss · 05/07/2026 10:39

To respond to comments made:

  1. My DH has no intention of watching it. Don't know why certain posters are saying DH will be watching it. I never said that. He won't be. Doesn't want to. I also won't be watching. DS would watch alone.
  2. Posters saying why do I get to control things by saying no when DH is saying yes, why do I get the right to decide over what DH is saying, that signals me being controlling etc. Turn that around. If DS watches it because DH says yes even though I've said no, then does that make DH controlling over me and my opinion? Does that mean DH 'gets to control' by saying yes when I've said no? The misogyny from women themselves against other women is real. FWIW me and DH are having a completely relaxed chat about it and are listening to each other's points and are weighing up the balance, just like we always do about everything.
  3. 11 hours sleep a night was a mistake from me editing that sentence in a rush. I meant to put 10 hours. Yes. Wait for it because this might blow your minds. DS who is 14 sleeps 10 hours a night. On week days, he puts himself to bed at 8:30 and is asleep as soon as his head hits the pillow, then wakes at 6:30. And you will be even more shocked out of your heads to learn that at weekends, he puts himself to bed by 10pm and sleeps like the dead until 10am Sat/Sun. Hold on to your coffees - this is 12 hours!!!! Every single weekend!!!! And no, he doesn't need blood tests and medical appointments before you wade in with that. He's a perfectly fit, healthy, sporty boy with lots of energy in the day.
  4. I never said I would let him take the morning off school sick. I said other mums are allowing this. I never said I would. My question was about him staying up to watch it. Not about him not going to school tomorrow morning. He will be going to school regardless.
  5. I am not controlling over DS. I'm a relaxed parent of a DS who has masses of independence and free reign. He is always listened to and I happily compromise what I think in order to listen to what he thinks. Again, only on mumsnet can a post about me thinking amy DS14 staying up till 3:30/4 am on a school night isn't a good idea could it turn into a deluge of criticism about me being a controlling parent. Controlling parents say a hard no, don't listen to reason, and don't reflect by asking if they're BU on a parenting forum.
  6. DS is ND, needs a lot of rest to cope with school the next day, gets overwhelmed and overloaded quickly, has SEN which are impacted by less sleep, he also gets overstimulated quickly, and his brain tires more easily. Lack of sleep markedly increases all of the above. It is this that I'm weighing up when saying no to him staying up till 3:30/4. But because I'm listening to him asking to watch it, and because I am weighing up the sbove versus it's only 1 night, and because I am reflecting on my decision (as opposed to being controlling), I have asked AIBU.

Free reign? Is he the King?

MassiveOvaryaction · 05/07/2026 13:05

Dc not watching the football but when they wanted to watch a 2am basketball game they went to bed a little earlier than usual, woke and watched the match, quick nap then up for school at the usual time. The latter was non-negotiable.

So with something like that in place I'd let dc watch if they really wanted to. Getting up ok but staying up would be a no.

JellyCatOnAHotTinRoof · 05/07/2026 13:00

It’s a one off, let him stay up.

We let ours (7-13yo) stay up for the Scotland match on a school night until 1am. Obviously and sadly this was not really worth it 😭🤣 but hopefully it’s a nice memory in future, their cousins and uncle and aunties stayed over. The 7yo gave up and went to bed at 12:30am, everyone else in bed asleep by 1:30am.

I managed to get up for work the next day no problem. DH took the littles into school for 9:30am and the big one was in academy by 10am. No issues.

katepilar · 05/07/2026 12:59

Its absolutely ok to ask what other people think or what other people do. Thats literally what an internet forum is for.

JudgeJ · 05/07/2026 12:57

I'd let him watch it but he'd be getting up for school at the normal time.

It's a perfect life lesson, if you want something there is often a price to pay, in this case the price for watching the match is going to school at the usual time. I'm sure that schools will be expecting a lot of sleepy pupils (and staff) as well as a lot of euphoria/sadness, they'll all cope! Many youngsters go off to residentials or camping and I know to my cost that they don't sleep all night yet are bright as buttons the next morning, much to the annoyance of staff/other adults!
So many undeestimate youngsters!

Lottie6712 · 05/07/2026 12:56

Out primary school does a weekly newsletter and the headteacher said "if you choose to enjoy the football on Sunday, see you at the normal time on Monday!". Which I think is clear that they expect many tired children - but they expect the children to turn up on time. I'd let him stay up as long as knows the deal is he has to go to school as normal.