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Trans widow and feel so much pain for her

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Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 16:10

I know this is not actually my grief but DH has a good friend who we have known throughout our marriage, let’s call him Steve.

Steve was married to Jess and had two children.

We spent a lot of time with them over the years. Camping trips, dinners, bbqs, birthdays. Steve was your classic sort of male really. He was quite attractive, funny, polite, well educated and both he and Jess very successful, had a beautiful home.

Anyway getting to the point. Almost out of the blue (to us at least), a few years ago Steve began transitioning. He is not short of money and has had facial surgery multiple times, paid for himself. He is extremely supportive of the trans community and recognises he is lucky he can access this sort of treatment.

Jess stayed with him through this, went to the appointments, talked to their kids about what this meant (primary age) and tried to stick in the marriage. It’s now broken down and they are doing their best to be great co parents to their children.

Jess’ grief is immeasurable. This couple always seemed so in love, so respectful of one another. She says she feels like her husband has died yet she has to experience this new person in his place, like he’s been stolen from her. I too have felt this obviously to a much lesser degree, but its truly life changing to even be affected by it even a little bit.

I should add that I have no strong views on what or who people choose to be but I suppose I am shocked that a person can live a lie for so long and especially put their children through it? DH has tried to be supportive but I think struggles more with Steve’s new interests more than anything, as in they don’t have much to talk about anymore as Steve is consumed by this (I suppose understandably) and his focus on what makes him a woman rather than anything else.

I don’t know what I am asking really. Just feel grief for Jess and for DH and wonder if others have been through similar how they navigated it.

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Viviennemary · 04/07/2026 22:18

Izzyink · 04/07/2026 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

I agree. I wouldn't go along with this nonsense.

MaggieBsBoat · 04/07/2026 22:15

It really sounds like this man has just fallen for a cult rather than being an autogynophile. Horrible. I am so sorry that Jess is going through this (I speak as a trans widow myself and I will not apologise for using the word widow).

localnotail · 04/07/2026 22:13

Izzyink · 04/07/2026 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

In a way, he has though.

Dymaxion · 04/07/2026 22:07

Most people just like you keep bringing up that there is only man and woman which is untrue because intersex people exist, and so do many other things that break this binary thinking.

Even if that were true , and I don't honestly think it is, it definitely isn't true in this scenario. This isn't someone who is intersex/DSD this is someone who is male , produces sperm which fertilises eggs type male, who then decides he wants to be female. No ambiguity , just a bloke that wants to be a woman for whatever reason. Probably decided this after the rougher child rearing days where Mummy is the default parent are over too ! Happy enough to be Mummy now the hard slog is over, which is so male thinking !

Igneococcus · 04/07/2026 22:07

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:53

Okay, answer my question just this one.

Can you tell me in detail (as much as you can muster) the difference between biological sex and gender?

I have absolutely no interest in gender, you make up your own definition and I will ignore it. Gender can fuck right off (other than in grammar). Sex however is binary and it is binary throughout the entire eukaryotic parts of the phylogenetic tree. Evolution came up with sexual reproduction to increase genetic variability to enable species to adapt to changing environments. Humans are not outwith this system and any biologist worth his or her salt is very aware of this. . Sometimes humans (or other animals) don't develop as is the norm but that doesn't make them some sort if intermediate being, it makes them a male of female human with a difference in development and with potential health and fertility issues. And all this has fuck all to do with a grown man who fathered two children and has now decided to play out his fetish with no regard to his wife and those children.

icingonmycupcake · 04/07/2026 22:04

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:59

Because people brought up nonsense and then asked me questions, so I'm answering them.

Most people just like you keep bringing up that there is only man and woman which is untrue because intersex people exist, and so do many other things that break this binary thinking.

Intersex is a disorder of sex. Which is binary. And immutable.

Transgender is a feeling.

Applesonthelawn · 04/07/2026 22:01

I'm sure being a widow and being a trans-widow are both utterly devastating in the majority of cases. It's not a competition to see who suffers the most grief.

FWIW, I think they are very similar and the name is apt, if that is what the term they choose.

icingonmycupcake · 04/07/2026 22:00

My sympathy is with your friend and her children. They must be devastated. I'm sure 'Steve' will be hunky dory. He'll be riding the trans euphoria train now he's 'come out'.

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:59

Dymaxion · 04/07/2026 21:53

@Thatannoyingone why are you discussing intersex ? This is a fully functioning male who has male genitalia who has produced sperm which fertilised two eggs that we know of, so definitely a male. Women who transition cannot produce sperm, men who transition cannot grow ovaries.

Whatever the reason's for this man believing he is now able to be a woman, the children he produced with his sperm, should not be gaslit into believing he has changed sex, he is simply choosing to dress up as his prefered variation of 'woman' .

Because people brought up nonsense and then asked me questions, so I'm answering them.

Most people just like you keep bringing up that there is only man and woman which is untrue because intersex people exist, and so do many other things that break this binary thinking.

Dymaxion · 04/07/2026 21:53

@Thatannoyingone why are you discussing intersex ? This is a fully functioning male who has male genitalia who has produced sperm which fertilised two eggs that we know of, so definitely a male. Women who transition cannot produce sperm, men who transition cannot grow ovaries.

Whatever the reason's for this man believing he is now able to be a woman, the children he produced with his sperm, should not be gaslit into believing he has changed sex, he is simply choosing to dress up as his prefered variation of 'woman' .

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:53

Igneococcus · 04/07/2026 21:47

Is that what modern science says, really? You mean people like Sir Robert Winston, or Christiane Nuesslein Vollhard (Nobel price for developmental biology, I spare you the googling) are saying this stuff?

Okay, answer my question just this one.

Can you tell me in detail (as much as you can muster) the difference between biological sex and gender?

Igneococcus · 04/07/2026 21:47

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:43

I believe mostly science and data when it comes to meanings, so Intersex...

Intersex is an umbrella term for people born with sex characteristics—including chromosomes, hormones, genitals, or reproductive anatomy—that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies.

☝️this is what modern scientific data says, and for that this is what I believe.

Is that what modern science says, really? You mean people like Sir Robert Winston, or Christiane Nuesslein Vollhard (Nobel price for developmental biology, I spare you the googling) are saying this stuff?

thetinsoldier · 04/07/2026 21:44

Minasama · 04/07/2026 16:15

Gosh that’s hard OP.

Two of my friends have been widowed young recently in the most tragic of circumstances, one has young children, the other has teenagers.

I think that compared to being an actual widow, at least this family still have the kind person that was their dad present in their lives. They may look different but they are still alive. That’s the main thing.

Hmm. Look different, actually different, care about different things… that’s why these women are called trans widows…

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:43

Igneococcus · 04/07/2026 21:36

What do you think intersex means?

I believe mostly science and data when it comes to meanings, so Intersex...

Intersex is an umbrella term for people born with sex characteristics—including chromosomes, hormones, genitals, or reproductive anatomy—that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies.

☝️this is what modern scientific data says, and for that this is what I believe.

BEAchDays2 · 04/07/2026 21:37

Aye nib out love.

Igneococcus · 04/07/2026 21:36

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:30

Intersex is not an outdated term, both Intersex and DSDs exist and overlap at some points people who have different variations of chromosomes chose which one they identify with more.

As for the homophobia if you read through this thread you will see people going on how the children in this situation will have to call their now trans mother 'mum', and going on how this is bad for the "kids" having two mothers, this to me sounds both homophobic and tansphobic.

And my institutions comment, I'm going to ask you a question, if you don't like trans people or anyone who doesn't fit your ideal way of living as you are part of a large group on here... what do you want? These people do exist trans people exist and the majority of posters here are slandering them, where do you want them to be? As it sounds like you don't want them to live a normal life.

What do you think intersex means?

Laura95167 · 04/07/2026 21:32

I think youre making this too much about you and need to focus on your friend. Who understandably, even if shes supportive of trans rights generally, has lost the man she loves.

This reads far too much.. its not about me BUT...

And you were correct its not about you. But I do wish your friends the best as they all move on

Nomura · 04/07/2026 21:31

Pansykavalier · 04/07/2026 18:04

You are of course right. It’s much worse.

His poor wife has no prospect of moving on and truly rebuilding her life, because he is still there. Her children cannot be helped to grieve for their father, because he is still there. And expecting them to call him ‘mummy’. Let that sink in…

The realities of their new lives will continue to mess up their lives, because there is no clear path for ‘moving on’. He on the other hand is living his new life at their expense.

You are ranting at the wrong person. I have every sympathy for the poor wife. It's also true the man is not dead. The title of the thread should have posited the distraught wife & confused dc not the man 'living' a lie.

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 21:30

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/07/2026 20:26

Can you point to the homophobia on this thread? I haven't seen any, nor have I seen anyone talking about bringing back institutions. Odd thing to say.

Intersex is an outdated medical term. The people affected, their families and the HCPs and scientists who support them prefer to talk about disorders of sexual development or DSDs. This is a better term because intersex sounds like it's a third sex somewhere between male and female. That is impossible. Every single human being who's ever lived is either male or female, just like all the other mammals. DSDs are sex specific.

Intersex is not an outdated term, both Intersex and DSDs exist and overlap at some points people who have different variations of chromosomes chose which one they identify with more.

As for the homophobia if you read through this thread you will see people going on how the children in this situation will have to call their now trans mother 'mum', and going on how this is bad for the "kids" having two mothers, this to me sounds both homophobic and tansphobic.

And my institutions comment, I'm going to ask you a question, if you don't like trans people or anyone who doesn't fit your ideal way of living as you are part of a large group on here... what do you want? These people do exist trans people exist and the majority of posters here are slandering them, where do you want them to be? As it sounds like you don't want them to live a normal life.

Jollyhockeystickss · 04/07/2026 21:27

Confused no one died and they are getting divorced so what it happens every day

MyMilchick · 04/07/2026 21:23

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EasternStandard · 04/07/2026 21:17

chickenpotnoodle · 04/07/2026 21:07

I think we're discussing different things. My comment was about recognising Jess's grief while also acknowledging that Steve is making decisions he believes are right for his life. The OP asked how to navigate that situation, rather than inviting a debate about gender identity.

Your posts focus on the adults, and people can separate and not communicate anymore but having dc makes it much harder.

The painful part is how to navigate dc being asked to use mummy for their dad.

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Minasama · 04/07/2026 21:14

Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 16:17

@Minasama that’s true. There’s parts of him that are obviously still very much him. I think it’s feeling like there’s been a lie all this time is what’s hardest for DH

I agree that must be terrible. I hope the core personality of their father as a supportive dad is still there for the children though. It must be tremendously hard for the wife.
It’s beyond my comprehension that someone would break up their family in this way, but it’s clearly important to them to feel they are in the right skin and hopefully this will give them peace.,

chickenpotnoodle · 04/07/2026 21:11

maxslice · 04/07/2026 19:12

This is the most sensible response so far.

thank you - trying to be the voice of reason - I have no particular views on trans rights either way.

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