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Trans widow and feel so much pain for her

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Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 16:10

I know this is not actually my grief but DH has a good friend who we have known throughout our marriage, let’s call him Steve.

Steve was married to Jess and had two children.

We spent a lot of time with them over the years. Camping trips, dinners, bbqs, birthdays. Steve was your classic sort of male really. He was quite attractive, funny, polite, well educated and both he and Jess very successful, had a beautiful home.

Anyway getting to the point. Almost out of the blue (to us at least), a few years ago Steve began transitioning. He is not short of money and has had facial surgery multiple times, paid for himself. He is extremely supportive of the trans community and recognises he is lucky he can access this sort of treatment.

Jess stayed with him through this, went to the appointments, talked to their kids about what this meant (primary age) and tried to stick in the marriage. It’s now broken down and they are doing their best to be great co parents to their children.

Jess’ grief is immeasurable. This couple always seemed so in love, so respectful of one another. She says she feels like her husband has died yet she has to experience this new person in his place, like he’s been stolen from her. I too have felt this obviously to a much lesser degree, but its truly life changing to even be affected by it even a little bit.

I should add that I have no strong views on what or who people choose to be but I suppose I am shocked that a person can live a lie for so long and especially put their children through it? DH has tried to be supportive but I think struggles more with Steve’s new interests more than anything, as in they don’t have much to talk about anymore as Steve is consumed by this (I suppose understandably) and his focus on what makes him a woman rather than anything else.

I don’t know what I am asking really. Just feel grief for Jess and for DH and wonder if others have been through similar how they navigated it.

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Boomer55 · 05/07/2026 07:40

Izzyink · 04/07/2026 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

This. There’s absolutely no comparison.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:39

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Dadalus · 05/07/2026 07:38

Pretty sure "golf widows" don't get this level of pushback against their choice of terminology.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:33

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SoBoredOfSelfDoubtHowToGetOut · 05/07/2026 07:16

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:02

OP, the vast majority of it is a midlife crisis. For many (not all, of course) it is a sexual fetish. Google 'AGP' and you will understand more.

I would not indulge him, in fact, I would be so disgusted at what he is doing to his wife but children especially, that I could not associate with him again. I'd cut him out of my life. Don't feed it or encourage it. I would just stop being friends with him.

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This.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:16

StrangeGree · 04/07/2026 17:16

You don’t know if I’m traumatised. Yet you’re policing me.

No one is policing you. You are attempting to police how women refer to themselves.

Funny how males can refer to themselves however they want, but when women choose how they identify they are policed immediately. Like as if this isn't all about straight up misogyny.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:12

Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 17:08

@AnneLovesGilbert they call her mummy (new name)

Has he requested they call him that?

montysmaw · 05/07/2026 07:10

aliceyyyy2654 · 04/07/2026 19:47

I appreciate your view but not every transwoman dresses in drag. I have two trans friends (mtf) and you wouldn’t know if you saw them out in public that they were biological males.

I could. In the blink of an eye.

HesterLeggatt · 05/07/2026 07:10

Naunet · 04/07/2026 17:07

But 'dead name' is ok?

Well, it applies to a name, not a person. In the same way that it would be different saying “my phone battery is dead” as opposed to “my mum is dead”.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:07

@Thatannoyingone Intersex (now called people with DSDs - Differences in Sexual Development) are not a third sex or in between sex. They are still either male or female. Every DSD is sex specific and confirms the sex binary. Intersex/DSDs are not trans. Further, these people have repeatedly requested that they stop being weaponised in this discussion. Please respect their wishes.

Trans widow and feel so much pain for her
montysmaw · 05/07/2026 07:05

@Thatannoyingone Black women are scientifically and biologically women in every cell of their body.
Anyone claiming that only white white women were biologically and scientifically female were demonstably wrong and and were if course bigots.

Transmen are scientifically and biologically male in every cell of their body. Anyone stating that "transwomen" are men are expressing scientific and biological reality , not bigotry.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:02

OP, the vast majority of it is a midlife crisis. For many (not all, of course) it is a sexual fetish. Google 'AGP' and you will understand more.

I would not indulge him, in fact, I would be so disgusted at what he is doing to his wife but children especially, that I could not associate with him again. I'd cut him out of my life. Don't feed it or encourage it. I would just stop being friends with him.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 07:01

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WRONG! As per biology and the Supreme Court ruling transwomen are MALE with PENIS AND TESTICLES. They are men, male, in every single way. This, sure as shit aint a woman:

Trans widow and feel so much pain for her
montysmaw · 05/07/2026 06:58

Izzyink · 04/07/2026 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

She sort of is.
She married a man.
The man apparently no longer exists as they are a "woman".

If your male husband no longer exists, you are to all practical intents , a widow.

callmeLoretta1 · 05/07/2026 06:58

Eyesopenwideawake · 04/07/2026 17:05

Would you prefer that he'd left her for a long term AP? Every marriage breakup is difficult. I'm not sure why this situation is any different.

It's different because he is expecting his children to see him as a mother. Their whole childhood has been changed and redefined. That's why 'trans' is not a victimless action.

Igneococcus · 05/07/2026 06:46

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Poor Martin Niemöller, murdered by Nazis only for his words to be used by every dimwit too stupid to argue their case in their own words to shut other people down.

wellindeed · 05/07/2026 06:42

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 23:52

Gender is a social construct it is a spectrum of diversity, gender is not confined to a binary of male and female, gender is cultural and psychological of ones individual experience of gender influencing how a person perceive themselves and interact with society.

So what does the definition of gender have to do with the sex terms man and woman?

wellindeed · 05/07/2026 06:41

Thatannoyingone · 04/07/2026 18:48

So basically this website is full of tansphobic and homophonic people, such a safe and welcoming space.

Children can grow up with two mothers, two fathers. What's wrong with a trans mum? Are they not present in the child's life, no! Yes it's an adjustment for the family but you know what? Both parents are there for them. It might not be what it was but at least they are there.

The majority of people saying trans people are a mental illness is absolutely absurd! Non of you understand science or biology, there isn't just man and woman, what about intersex people? They are more intersex people than trans.

I feel for the mother of the children she is obviously grieving the husband she had, but non you have heard of the other side. Non of us know the full story, just one side.

Yes you should support your friend, but you shouldn't attack a whole community of people for simply existing.

Trans people have been here the whole time throughout history, it's not new or a mental illness!

By the way some of you are talking it's like you want to bring back institutions for all that don't fit in the box you have imagined, it's disgusting.

Intersex people?

Are you saying intersex people are a third sex?
This is so insulting.

It’s 2026 not 2020, these old tropes using people with disorders of sexual development to prove that there are more than 2 sexes sounds absolutely ridiculous.

Explain what you mean about intersex people proving there isn’t just men and women please?

maxslice · 05/07/2026 05:45

I have a trans nephew/ niece. I’m okay with that, my love and support hasn’t wavered. But there is something I don’t understand and maybe someone on Mumsnet can help me out. For instance, a man believes that he is really a woman in a man’s body. Sex being biological, but gender a social construct. Sexual attraction apparently beside the point. I hope I’ve got that right. So, you’re Bob. Lived your whole life as a male. At 43 years old you have an epiphany! Genitalia be damned! You’re actually a woman. You take estrogen shots, dress in conventionally feminine ways, maybe have top surgery and so on. You chose a new name for your new identity. No longer Bob, you are Antoinette. You identify as a trans woman. Here’s my question, why always the prefix “trans”? Okay Bob/ Antionette is a woman, either you are or you aren’t. The “trans” after the person has fully transitioned is superfluous. So, why? Why wouldn’t Antoinette just be a woman instead of a trans woman if that was the person’s identity all along, even if they just realized it?

TheKeatingFive · 05/07/2026 02:11

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Oh ffs don't be ridiculous.

Men are not a kind of woman. No humans can change sex.

That has nothing to do with rightful inclusion of actual women

BabblingBiddy · 05/07/2026 01:58

In Nax* Germany the first people that were targeted weren't Jews they were Trans people, they burnd the all the progressive research books and took the trans people to the camps. not true. Yes they destroyed the Hirschfeld institute, but Hirschfeld was a Jew.

This is my last response here, if anyone sees this there is a poem from WW2 First They Came by Martin Niemöller highly recommend reading it. yes, a brilliant poem. But what's it got to do with trans people?

Thefsm · 05/07/2026 01:38

God the number of transphobic people on this site is nauseating.

yes, there is a loss with transitioning. You lose your old friend and gain a new one. Jess will need loads of love and support because she is grieving her future she has missed out on. Her husband can’t see her without remembering the difficulty of life before transitioning, repressing herself for the sake of being treated as a human. Therapy would be good for them both seperately.

Thatannoyingone · 05/07/2026 01:23

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Thatannoyingone · 05/07/2026 00:33

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 05/07/2026 00:05

I’m not sure you quite understand the meaning of the word ‘definition’.

Gender is a social construct - what is a social construct?

it is a spectrum of diversity - where does this spectrum begin and end and what does the ‘diversity’ refer to?

gender is not confined to a binary of male and female - what is it confined by then? Everything has to have some framework, definition or boundaries as part of its definition otherwise it is just word salad.

gender is cultural and psychological of ones individual experience of gender influencing how a person perceive themselves and interact with society.

Eh? That is a circular definition. Can you give examples please?

The above is not a definition. I am no clearer on the meaning of ‘gender’ than before.

Please can you provide a succinct definition.

Ah. I get what you mean by my comment above.

Gender expression is how you present yourself, this can be informed by socially agreed stereotypes, I.e. woman wear dresses and men trousers in very basic crude understanding. Gender is what's between your ears, your own understanding of your self, a completely subjective experience to each own person, and can be informed by these other parts or be independent of them.

The differences are important as even though we have a stereotypical idea of what a "woman" might be or a "man" most people will not meet all on the same points on all of these, i.e a man wearing a skirt is no less of a man in a suit. A masculine woman is no Les of a woman than a feminine woman. Their experience experience is unique to them.

If you understand yourself as a woman, and that makes you happy or feel at peace with yourself then congratulations you know your gender. If it dosnt, exploring it to gain a better understanding of it will soon allow you to see for yourself what it is.

For simplicity sake I kept this to binary genders but it applies to the whole spectrum, and each of these individual points above are also spectrums. There is no singular answer that fits all, just what fits you.

They're loads of books explaining this far greater than I ever could, I recommend reading Gender Trouble by Judith Butler.