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Trans widow and feel so much pain for her

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Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 16:10

I know this is not actually my grief but DH has a good friend who we have known throughout our marriage, let’s call him Steve.

Steve was married to Jess and had two children.

We spent a lot of time with them over the years. Camping trips, dinners, bbqs, birthdays. Steve was your classic sort of male really. He was quite attractive, funny, polite, well educated and both he and Jess very successful, had a beautiful home.

Anyway getting to the point. Almost out of the blue (to us at least), a few years ago Steve began transitioning. He is not short of money and has had facial surgery multiple times, paid for himself. He is extremely supportive of the trans community and recognises he is lucky he can access this sort of treatment.

Jess stayed with him through this, went to the appointments, talked to their kids about what this meant (primary age) and tried to stick in the marriage. It’s now broken down and they are doing their best to be great co parents to their children.

Jess’ grief is immeasurable. This couple always seemed so in love, so respectful of one another. She says she feels like her husband has died yet she has to experience this new person in his place, like he’s been stolen from her. I too have felt this obviously to a much lesser degree, but its truly life changing to even be affected by it even a little bit.

I should add that I have no strong views on what or who people choose to be but I suppose I am shocked that a person can live a lie for so long and especially put their children through it? DH has tried to be supportive but I think struggles more with Steve’s new interests more than anything, as in they don’t have much to talk about anymore as Steve is consumed by this (I suppose understandably) and his focus on what makes him a woman rather than anything else.

I don’t know what I am asking really. Just feel grief for Jess and for DH and wonder if others have been through similar how they navigated it.

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butterfluff · 04/07/2026 18:35

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JudgeJ · 04/07/2026 18:31

Sometimesitsmyownfault · 04/07/2026 18:05

In that case, why do transmen & women call it ‘dead naming’ if you refer to their original name?

Maybe to emphasise their own sense of self-importance?

JudgeJ · 04/07/2026 18:30

Is using the word widow here really appropriate!!

Why the sudden hypersensitivity about the word 'widow'? People have referred to 'golf widows' etc for years, personally I think it's an awful word. When I found my husband had died in the night a few years back, as I dialled 999 I remember thinking 'Shit, I'll have to tick the widow box now'!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/07/2026 18:26

Whatshernamee · 04/07/2026 18:15

Because it suits their mindset.

It doesn't mean it's right.

It’s a metaphor in both cases. It doesn’t actually mean anyone has died but it’s the same logic.

WarriorN · 04/07/2026 18:24

Eyesopenwideawake · 04/07/2026 17:05

Would you prefer that he'd left her for a long term AP? Every marriage breakup is difficult. I'm not sure why this situation is any different.

Because there’s the extra element of why he’s suddenly transitioned. Which is unlikely to be wholesome.

This situation has a number of specific abuse which are unique.

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ScrambledEggs12 · 04/07/2026 18:24

Whatshernamee · 04/07/2026 18:16

Of course she can move on and rebuild he r life

It's called divorce.

It's no different to being left for another woman in some ways.

It's checking out of the relationship and looking for another life - maybe he even hopes to meet someone ( a man?)

I'm glad you say 'in some ways' as in other ways it's very different. Imagine the ridicule that their children will face at school.

historyismything82 · 04/07/2026 18:22

Hotandbithered · 04/07/2026 17:08

@AnneLovesGilbert they call her mummy (new name)

The whole thing is fucked up. Sorry for your friend and her kids. Jesus.

Whatshernamee · 04/07/2026 18:16

Pansykavalier · 04/07/2026 18:04

You are of course right. It’s much worse.

His poor wife has no prospect of moving on and truly rebuilding her life, because he is still there. Her children cannot be helped to grieve for their father, because he is still there. And expecting them to call him ‘mummy’. Let that sink in…

The realities of their new lives will continue to mess up their lives, because there is no clear path for ‘moving on’. He on the other hand is living his new life at their expense.

Of course she can move on and rebuild he r life

It's called divorce.

It's no different to being left for another woman in some ways.

It's checking out of the relationship and looking for another life - maybe he even hopes to meet someone ( a man?)

Whatshernamee · 04/07/2026 18:15

Sometimesitsmyownfault · 04/07/2026 18:05

In that case, why do transmen & women call it ‘dead naming’ if you refer to their original name?

Because it suits their mindset.

It doesn't mean it's right.

allthingsinmoderation · 04/07/2026 18:12

I am a widow my husband died aged 48 yrs and i can see the similarities,the person and father Jess and their children knew is dead to them,he's gone.
It's a confusing and difficult situation for everyone.
All you can do for them is be there.listen and support because they are all going to need support.

WearyAuldWumman · 04/07/2026 18:11

StrangeGree · 04/07/2026 17:07

Is using the word widow here really appropriate!!

apart from the distaste of lumping these poor women in the same category as women who have had to deal with terminal cancer etc in their spouses who wanted to stay alive…

I'd feel ripped off if my partner started morphing into an alternative type of human being, yes. BUT. Lots of women lose the man they thought they married, people change and turn out to be quite different from how they presented. Just because it involves hormone injections diesnt make it any different, to my mind, to any other marriage destroying choices, like porn and alcohol addiction.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm an actual widow and the term doesn't upset me. (I accept that others might be upset, of course.) It works as already outlined above, but also is analogous to such terms as 'grass widow'.

Wheresthebeach · 04/07/2026 18:06

Support Jess as much as you can.

Sometimesitsmyownfault · 04/07/2026 18:05

Izzyink · 04/07/2026 16:38

She is not a widow, He hasn't died.

In that case, why do transmen & women call it ‘dead naming’ if you refer to their original name?

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Pansykavalier · 04/07/2026 18:04

Nomura · 04/07/2026 17:55

So no one has died.

You are of course right. It’s much worse.

His poor wife has no prospect of moving on and truly rebuilding her life, because he is still there. Her children cannot be helped to grieve for their father, because he is still there. And expecting them to call him ‘mummy’. Let that sink in…

The realities of their new lives will continue to mess up their lives, because there is no clear path for ‘moving on’. He on the other hand is living his new life at their expense.

Leafstamp · 04/07/2026 18:03

chickenpotnoodle · 04/07/2026 17:55

I don't think you're unreasonable for feeling sad for Jess. She's lost the marriage she thought she'd have, and it's understandable that she feels she's grieving. Partners of people who transition often describe it that way, even when they want to be supportive.
Where I'd be careful is saying Steve "lived a lie" or suggesting he deliberately put his children through this. Many trans people spend years suppressing or not fully understanding their feelings because of fear, shame or confusion. That doesn't mean they intended to deceive anyone.
It's also not surprising that Steve is very focused on transitioning at the moment. It's a huge life change and may not always be the centre of his life. Hopefully, as things settle, he'll regain more balance and reconnect over shared interests.
Ultimately, there doesn't have to be a villain here. Steve deserves to live authentically, and Jess is entitled to grieve the loss of the husband and marriage she had. Both things can be true at the same time.

Steve is living the opposite of authentically. He is literally pretending to be something he is not.

In asking his children to call him mummy, Steve is nothing but a selfish and abusive father.

StrangeGree · 04/07/2026 18:02

He’s authentically letting delusion ruin peoples lives. applause not.

EssexLounger · 04/07/2026 18:01

chickenpotnoodle · 04/07/2026 17:55

I don't think you're unreasonable for feeling sad for Jess. She's lost the marriage she thought she'd have, and it's understandable that she feels she's grieving. Partners of people who transition often describe it that way, even when they want to be supportive.
Where I'd be careful is saying Steve "lived a lie" or suggesting he deliberately put his children through this. Many trans people spend years suppressing or not fully understanding their feelings because of fear, shame or confusion. That doesn't mean they intended to deceive anyone.
It's also not surprising that Steve is very focused on transitioning at the moment. It's a huge life change and may not always be the centre of his life. Hopefully, as things settle, he'll regain more balance and reconnect over shared interests.
Ultimately, there doesn't have to be a villain here. Steve deserves to live authentically, and Jess is entitled to grieve the loss of the husband and marriage she had. Both things can be true at the same time.

How is living out a fetish, having surgery, taking hormones, changing behaviour etc living authentically?

Spotsmum · 04/07/2026 18:00

BobbieTables · 04/07/2026 16:12

I'd keep your nib out.

Grow up! This is something that affects her too

Wowthatwasabigstep · 04/07/2026 18:00

To summarise Steve is a knob who thinks he can change sex, which is impossible. He may be well educated but is clearly quite stupid and probably believes that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cream cheese.

Emotionally support Jess and the children and have nothing to do with the deranged man.

BrickBiscuit · 04/07/2026 18:00

Peachesx2606 · 04/07/2026 17:46

But dead name is about the old name and identity being 'dead' not that the person is dead.

That's the same thing. 'Dead' might seem as insensitive to someone who's been bereaved by a real death as 'widow' might to someone whose husband really died. But we have 'dead duck', 'dead wrong', 'grass widow' and 'golf widow' etc, so 'deadnaming' and 'transwidow' are legitimate choices of terms by those affected.

Uricon2 · 04/07/2026 18:00

I was widowed in my 40s from the man I'd been with practically all of my adult life, decades. I have no objection to the term.

Lovelyview · 04/07/2026 17:57

chickenpotnoodle · 04/07/2026 17:55

I don't think you're unreasonable for feeling sad for Jess. She's lost the marriage she thought she'd have, and it's understandable that she feels she's grieving. Partners of people who transition often describe it that way, even when they want to be supportive.
Where I'd be careful is saying Steve "lived a lie" or suggesting he deliberately put his children through this. Many trans people spend years suppressing or not fully understanding their feelings because of fear, shame or confusion. That doesn't mean they intended to deceive anyone.
It's also not surprising that Steve is very focused on transitioning at the moment. It's a huge life change and may not always be the centre of his life. Hopefully, as things settle, he'll regain more balance and reconnect over shared interests.
Ultimately, there doesn't have to be a villain here. Steve deserves to live authentically, and Jess is entitled to grieve the loss of the husband and marriage she had. Both things can be true at the same time.

Any man who tells his children to call him Mummy is 100% a villain.

Nomura · 04/07/2026 17:55

So no one has died.

chickenpotnoodle · 04/07/2026 17:55

I don't think you're unreasonable for feeling sad for Jess. She's lost the marriage she thought she'd have, and it's understandable that she feels she's grieving. Partners of people who transition often describe it that way, even when they want to be supportive.
Where I'd be careful is saying Steve "lived a lie" or suggesting he deliberately put his children through this. Many trans people spend years suppressing or not fully understanding their feelings because of fear, shame or confusion. That doesn't mean they intended to deceive anyone.
It's also not surprising that Steve is very focused on transitioning at the moment. It's a huge life change and may not always be the centre of his life. Hopefully, as things settle, he'll regain more balance and reconnect over shared interests.
Ultimately, there doesn't have to be a villain here. Steve deserves to live authentically, and Jess is entitled to grieve the loss of the husband and marriage she had. Both things can be true at the same time.