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AIBU to think drivers should reverse rather than cross red lights?

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BrickBiscuit · 04/07/2026 10:40

Drivers queuing at red lights are now beeping when a blue-light vehicle comes up behind, even with sirens off. This is to alert those at the front to cross the line. However, I will never cross a red light for an emergency vehicle (unless instructed by a police officer). Wouldn't it be better for the whole queue to reverse to the roadside and create a clear lane? This is the same manoeuvre as moving forwards to do so, which is extremely common but can leave those at the front nowhere to go except through the red light. This would need everyone to reverse, each to make room for the one in front. Nobody need cross the line.

YABU: no, keep pulling over forwards. Those at the front cross the red light.
YANBU: yes, start pulling over backwards and leave the red light clear.

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Doris86 · 17/07/2026 10:49

Emergency service vehicles don’t expect you to go through red lights. That is why they sit behind you with their lights flashing, but their sirens turned off.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/07/2026 14:04

BrickBiscuit · 07/07/2026 13:51

I believe the average on red is about a minute. Some busy junctions in a row near me are probably well over two minutes, as each direction has multiple lanes, filters and, for those without an underpass, additional pedestrian phases. The time for 25 reversers is probably about the latter. However those busier junctions would often have more than 25 queuing.

I've seen lots of paths successfully cleared by pulling forwards well before the lights changed, though hardly ever without the front drivers crossing the red light. Once the emergency vehicle passes, there's that awkward time where those drivers are stuck in no man's land, often out of sight of the lights. As I said, I won't be joining them.

I have followed blue lights over those junctions I mentioned above when all on red (presumably they are coordinated) - this adds several minutes to their response in only a mile or two.

I assume the beepers hope to improve this by encouraging people through the red light.

At an optimistic 10 seconds per car that's over 4 minutes for 25 cars to get out of the way, but the lights will have changed in 1 to 2 minutes. Or, if a few people leave a couple of metres or more, ideally including the one at the front (as is good practice), they could all have shimmied out of the way anyway in half the time so the ambulance is already at the front of the queue before the lights change and no one has to cross a red light except the ambulance:)

I think's its easier to educate everyone to leave a little more space than it is to educate 30 million drivers that now they need to reverse when their see blue lights. After all, when you see police, fire or amblaunces making their way through heavy traffic on busy roads that's generally what happens. Everyone moves forwards and to the left (in the UK) creating a lane down the middle of the traffic for them to carve their way through. If people left a bit of space between themselves and the car in front in queueing traffic (and teh car in front stops a few metres short of the lights) the same can be achieved :)

BrickBiscuit · 07/07/2026 13:51

Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/07/2026 13:23

Nothing preventing you leaving more though, is there. As is taught in advanced drving :)

Question for you. How long do you think it would take a queue of 25 cars to reverse, one at a time, out of the way of an ambulance? And how long do you think the average traffic lights stays red for?

I believe the average on red is about a minute. Some busy junctions in a row near me are probably well over two minutes, as each direction has multiple lanes, filters and, for those without an underpass, additional pedestrian phases. The time for 25 reversers is probably about the latter. However those busier junctions would often have more than 25 queuing.

I've seen lots of paths successfully cleared by pulling forwards well before the lights changed, though hardly ever without the front drivers crossing the red light. Once the emergency vehicle passes, there's that awkward time where those drivers are stuck in no man's land, often out of sight of the lights. As I said, I won't be joining them.

I have followed blue lights over those junctions I mentioned above when all on red (presumably they are coordinated) - this adds several minutes to their response in only a mile or two.

I assume the beepers hope to improve this by encouraging people through the red light.

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itsjustuandi · 07/07/2026 13:26

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Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/07/2026 13:23

BrickBiscuit · 07/07/2026 13:20

Stop line expectations.

Nothing preventing you leaving more though, is there. As is taught in advanced drving :)

Question for you. How long do you think it would take a queue of 25 cars to reverse, one at a time, out of the way of an ambulance? And how long do you think the average traffic lights stays red for?

BrickBiscuit · 07/07/2026 13:20

Dontgetstuckinthepast · 07/07/2026 13:05

Leave space in front of you in a queue and you'll have space to shuffle out of the way if a blue light needs to get through.

Tyres to tarmac.

Stop line expectations.

AIBU to think drivers should reverse rather than cross red lights?
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LightlyRoamingOcelots · 07/07/2026 13:18

Ambulance drivers are trained to switch off sirens if conditions aee such that it's not safe for people to get out of the way. If sirens are sounding and blue lights flashing then the driver at least can see a safe maneuver you could theoretically do but it's still your responsibility to decide what you can do safely and legally to get out of their way and if you can't see a safe and legal option it's best not to move until you can. Yanbu not to move across a red signal, but yabu to expect a whole load of cars to correctly execute a reversal maneuver - there woukd definitely be bumps and scrapes if they tried.

Dontgetstuckinthepast · 07/07/2026 13:05

Leave space in front of you in a queue and you'll have space to shuffle out of the way if a blue light needs to get through.

Tyres to tarmac.

BrickBiscuit · 07/07/2026 11:59

Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/07/2026 10:53

I think the most likely outcomes of this ill-concieved approach are either the car in front of the ambulance doesn't see it, stopping everyone, or a car reverses straight into the ambulance, delaying it even more ;)

Yes, that's bound to happen.

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Tryingtokeepgoing · 07/07/2026 10:53

I think the most likely outcomes of this ill-concieved approach are either the car in front of the ambulance doesn't see it, stopping everyone, or a car reverses straight into the ambulance, delaying it even more ;)

NamelessNancy · 06/07/2026 17:24

Either way, it'll be a sight to behold! I'm not convinced we'll find a decent GB team though sadly.

BrickBiscuit · 06/07/2026 16:52

NamelessNancy · 06/07/2026 16:42

Synchronised parallel parking - maybe it could become a new Olympic sport?

Not synchronised. Sequential.

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NamelessNancy · 06/07/2026 16:42

Synchronised parallel parking - maybe it could become a new Olympic sport?

BrickBiscuit · 06/07/2026 15:36

Tallisker · 06/07/2026 10:34

You’re still wronger than a wrong thing winning a being wrong competition.

Asking a question isn't 'wrong'.

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BrickBiscuit · 06/07/2026 15:28

Badbadbunny · 06/07/2026 14:00

Hilarious that you think that can happen. Just look at motorways and the effect of one car braking that can cause a tailback for miles because of the "thinking time". Look at where you have huge groups of people entering/leaving, say, a stadium where it can take a long time for the people at the back to start moving forward after the people at the front have started to move. You'll never get everyone moving together at the same time. The only way that could ever happen is if the vehicles were all automatic and linked to eachother via satellite/bluetooth etc and all moved in synch at exactly the same time/speed.

You'll never get everyone moving together at the same time.
They don't move at the same time.

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Lougle · 06/07/2026 14:23

BrickBiscuit · 04/07/2026 10:57

The emergency vehicle would have seen the queue and be going slow enough to react to reversing lights.

The emergency services make it very clear that they don't want you to do anything out of the ordinary to 'help'. If there is space to pull over on a non-hazardous part of the road, do so. Otherwise, keep going until there is an opportunity to pull over. If you're at traffic lights with a red light, stay in position. They will find a safe path around you if they can.

WackyMaccaThumbsAloft · 06/07/2026 14:18

The reversing idea would be quite funny to see (assuming it wasn't actually holding up an ambulance)- given how useless some people are at parallel parking I imagine it would take about an hour. Shit parking but in formation, endless fun.

Coconutter24 · 06/07/2026 14:13

I didn’t vote because neither option is safe. You don’t cross a red light and it’s definitely dangerous for everyone to start reversing. You stay put until the red light changes to green, go through it and pull over safely to allow the emergency services to pass. There is a reason the ambulance didn’t have their sirens on at the red light.

NamelessNancy · 06/07/2026 14:08

How would space be made for the additional emergency vehicles called to the smash ups created by this co-ordinated reversing manoeuvre?

Gizlotsmum · 06/07/2026 14:01

Tryingtokeepgoing · 06/07/2026 10:23

Advanced driving would teach you to leave plenty of space between you and the car in front in stationary traffic so that you can make way if necessary. As long as one person does that and can then move forward and to the side by a few metres then the whole queue can, and the ambulance can get through. Everyone reversing seems an unnecessarily complicated way of achieving what a few moderately attentive drivers could enable anyway, with the danger or reversing in a queue when other motorists, the ambulance and pedestrians would not be expecting it being eliminated.

This is what I was taught, stop so you can see the vehicle in fronts tyres where they touch the road

Badbadbunny · 06/07/2026 14:00

BrickBiscuit · 06/07/2026 13:24

'As each person (starting at the back) reverses to the roadside, they create space for the car in front to do so, and so on. It would all happen at similar speed to the way people currently pull in forwards to create a lane for the emergency vehicle.'

Hilarious that you think that can happen. Just look at motorways and the effect of one car braking that can cause a tailback for miles because of the "thinking time". Look at where you have huge groups of people entering/leaving, say, a stadium where it can take a long time for the people at the back to start moving forward after the people at the front have started to move. You'll never get everyone moving together at the same time. The only way that could ever happen is if the vehicles were all automatic and linked to eachother via satellite/bluetooth etc and all moved in synch at exactly the same time/speed.

Idlewilder · 06/07/2026 13:48

MogTheMoogle · 04/07/2026 10:48

Neither. Reversing a whole queue of traffic is just if not more dangerous. .

Potentially if junctions were designed better the stop line would be perhaps 1 and 1/2 car lengths from the actual light stop at major junctions where emergency vehicles are frequent. This would allow such cars to pull forward without crossing the lights.

A more long term fix would be a change in driver behavior where drivers naturally pull towards the curb when stopping. Im sure I saw some video, perhaps Germany where on dual carriageway the reaction to stopping traffic is pull left or right depending on your lane and almost create a whole middle lane.

Of course cyclists probably will be unhappy that they can't go flying up the inside of stopped cars, but perhaps they too should change their behaviour to overtake properly...

No need for the snide anti cyclist comment. Cyclists know they are at risk in any blue light situation because motorists are even less likely to take proper observation than usual. So most cyclists just get out of the way as far as possible. The idea that cyclists would be pissed off to not be able to cycle up the inside of a stationary traffic queue in this situation is just ridiculous.

myopinionis · 06/07/2026 13:31

Neither. One is downright stupid, the other is illegal and enforced even if it might make sense sometimes.

I pity the emergency vehicle drivers, if many of the cars in front of them are full of morons thinking they must immediately choose one of two options: either drive through the red light, or start reversing.

BrickBiscuit · 06/07/2026 13:24

mondaytosunday · 06/07/2026 12:38

How would this happen? At red lights there may be no space to back into. At most a couple feet. And people seem to struggle driving forward let alone a coordinated reverse!

'As each person (starting at the back) reverses to the roadside, they create space for the car in front to do so, and so on. It would all happen at similar speed to the way people currently pull in forwards to create a lane for the emergency vehicle.'

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mondaytosunday · 06/07/2026 12:38

How would this happen? At red lights there may be no space to back into. At most a couple feet. And people seem to struggle driving forward let alone a coordinated reverse!