Decoy Wedding?!

Genuine question. What makes her songs vacuous?

The irony is that I never described TS as vacuous only her songs. She's a financial genius it seems.

What happened in the past is in the past.

I shall continue to use the word vacuous if I see fit and apply it to both sexes.

You are correct. I am extremely GC.

History matters though.
How society uses language matters. You hinted at being gender critical earlier, surely you can understand why the use of language is important? Especially when it comes to women’s rights?

You might use historically gendered insults towards both men and women but that doesn’t erase how they’ve been used in the past. And doesn’t make it right!

Nobody is stopping you using the word vacuous- stop being dramatic.

How you feel is not relevant. You are entitled to your interpretation and I am entitled to tell you that, in this instance, your interpretation is incorrect.

I have explained to you countless times that I apply the term vacuous equally to both male and female songwriters.

What happened in the past is in the past. I am a person in the here and now.

And I'll tell you this I am not going to stop using the word vacuous because you take umbrage with it and shall continue to apply it across the board regardless of the sex of the person I'm criticising.

If a woman is vacuous, I shall say so ditto a man.

How you feel is not relevant. You are entitled to your interpretation and I am entitled to tell you that, in this instance, your interpretation is incorrect.

I have explained to you countless times that I apply the term vacuous equally to both male and female songwriters.

What happened in the past is in the past. I am a person in the here and now.

And I'll tell you this I am not going to stop using the word vacuous because you take umbrage with it and shall continue to apply it across the board regardless of the sex of the person I'm criticising.

If a woman is vacuous, I shall say so ditto a man.

And building your fortune on being bitter about various high profile relationships and calling out the men involved (when people know who you are writing about) is something that more female artists than male do.

When male artists do it then they are vacuous too

I felt that your original post was misogynistic, sexist and factually incorrect.
That my interpretation of what you wrote. You used tired old tropes that have historically been aimed at women to undermine them. Even if that wasn’t your intention it doesn’t really matter. That’s how it came across.
Those tired old insults fall down when applied to TS but that doesn’t stop people who have clearly not engaged with her or her music using them against her. Quite frankly, it’s lazy.

Perhaps you do just enjoy insulting everyone but I think you’re being a little disingenuous to ignore that fact that women in the public eye have historically been criticised by society in a way that men rarely are.

Not sure who that was directed at?

On the offchance it was me, then nothing passive aggressive about my posts. However, posting unpleasant comments without the courtesy of quoting the poster to which you are replying IS actually passive aggressive.

I felt that your original post was misogynistic, sexist and factually incorrect.
That my interpretation of what you wrote. You used tired old tropes that have historically been aimed at women to undermine them. Even if that wasn’t your intention it doesn’t really matter. That’s how it came across.
Those tired old insults fall down when applied to TS but that doesn’t stop people who have clearly not engaged with her or her music using them against her. Quite frankly, it’s lazy.

Perhaps you do just enjoy insulting everyone but I think you’re being a little disingenuous to ignore that fact that women in the public eye have historically been criticised by society in a way that men rarely are.

Eh? Are you suggesting that nobody can use the word vacuous in relation to a female artist's songwriting now?
Bloody hell.

I'm done with this crap now. Sorry.

God you really are quite relentlessly unpleasant aren't you? Hidden in passive aggressive sentences etc.

This is not about history. This is about MY view in the present day.

In any case you are incorrect, The Beatles were accused of writing vacuous songs in the sixties by other men.
Men have always criticised other men's choices in music.
You think that a classical music loving man doesn't look down on a man who likes rock music's tastes?
My dh's dad always said to my dh 'what. on earth is this nonsense you're listening to, son' when he listened to Black Sabbath in a very sneery way.

You can of course challenge things.

But when somebody says 'hey you know I'm equally scathing about male songwriters' which I AM - you just won't accept it.

I think you'll find that the word vacuous has been applied about music made by men by other men too.

Whispering Bob Harris sneering about the New York Dolls for example.

There is nothing wrong with using the word 'vacuous' and I shall continue to use it regardless if the songwriter is male or female.

Do you promise?

The cultural significance of her has already been patiently explained to you multiple times. You dont like it. That's fine. Doesn't make it not true. Carry on shouting into the wind about it if you'd like to.

If I used a racist insult to someone but didn’t intend it in a racist way and claim use that particular phrase towards people of all races and ethnicities would that be okay in your book?

Because the of the historical use of that language towards women and how it’s typically used put women down.
How often do men get criticised for dressing for the female gaze?
How often do men get criticised for writing vacuous songs about relationships?

You claim to insult male and female artists equally but society historically doesn’t. Therefore when you use typically sexist and misogynistic insults towards a women, you shouldn’t be surprised if that is challenged.

Oh behave yourself. You clearly have no idea of a) what makes good teaching and b) despite your protestations, she is hugely significant. I get you don't like that.

The thing about being ND is that the world has never felt like it revolved around me. And that’s fine.

However this kind of shit being brought into the classroom is clearly to appeal directly to a section of the class and therefore excluding the rest of them. Why are their interests any more relevant?

If everyone’s interests were taken into account at some point I would agree. But the TS based lesson was done because the teacher is a TS fan.

I kind of get using actual events like the WC, and events that are going to be part of history, but a wedding of a pop star? Come on now.

But that happens all the time. There will be another lesson at some point which will appeal to a different group.
I’ve seen dozens of lessons framed around the World Cup. That won’t appeal to everyone. As long as it doesn’t dominate the whole curriculum it’s not a problem. It’s a one off lesson.

I am auadhd and I remember obsessions over boybands in the 1990s. I remember the reaction when Take That split. I was in primary school and I remember the pencil cases and lunch boxes etc. I wasn't into them particularly myself, but I remember it, and had interests elsewhere.

There was also of course Beatlemania and other examples around the world. My friend is obsessed with BTS and Korean pop music, which goes over my head personally, but small children are going to interact with what is mainstream around them and the market is there. I remember a My Little Pony movie where cynically they swapped one castle for another castle in the film, and of course it was because new merchandise was coming out. There have been versions of this around before.