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To think "half your age plus seven" is a massive pile of nonsense?

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TransportNerd · 01/07/2026 08:07

Mumsnet seems to take a very dim view of age gap relationships, far more so than I think the general population does. I've seen plenty of age gap relationships work just fine.

Every single time they're discussed here, though, someone wheels out the "rule" that you shouldn't date someone younger than half your age plus seven years.

People treat it like it's absolutely set in stone, and that breaking this "rule" is some sort of disgusting taboo. I've even seen someone argue it should be enshrined in law, with penalties for those who break it.

Personally, I've always thought it was complete nonsense. It was simply something in a French novel in the early 1900s. It doesn't really take anything important into account, and ignores the principle that consenting adults can do what they like.

Quite apart from anything else, why is it plus seven? Why not five, eight or ten? I'm sure it's only seven because that's a number that's had mystic significance since ancient times. Not a good basis for making laws!

Anyway:

YABU - yes, it's a rule and shouldn't be broken
YANBU - it's a big pile of nonsense and doesn't mean anything

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kkloo · 03/07/2026 18:25

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 18:12

I'm a firm believer that other people's lives are none of my business.

So why are you being the thought/opinion police then?

HaveYouFedTheFish · 03/07/2026 18:21

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 18:12

I'm a firm believer that other people's lives are none of my business.

But you're on here discussing theoretical other people's lives and policing other people's opinions...

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 18:12

kkloo · 03/07/2026 17:39

Yes, and I think your views about those who are against these relationships when one of the consenting adults are very young are small-minded.

I'm a firm believer that other people's lives are none of my business.

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kkloo · 03/07/2026 17:39

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 17:21

I've made it clear I'm talking about consenting adults.

Yes, and I think your views about those who are against these relationships when one of the consenting adults are very young are small-minded.

XenoBitch · 03/07/2026 17:31

It is a pile of shite...
If you are both adults then knock yourself out.

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 17:21

kkloo · 03/07/2026 17:16

No I read correctly that you don't care what age they are, but I think your views on those who are against them are small-minded.

As I said it's often the people who are ok with age-gap relationships who will say to go with that rule on here.

For those like myself who are against them when the younger person is only a teenager/very young adult that's normally the 'rule' we use, that they're not ok if the younger person is under a certain age, not the half your age plus 7 rule.

I've made it clear I'm talking about consenting adults.

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kkloo · 03/07/2026 17:16

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 17:04

I think you've completely misunderstood me.

I don't care what age consenting adults in relationships are. The "rule" is one lots of people on here think is set in stone. I don't. People can date who they want.

No I read correctly that you don't care what age they are, but I think your views on those who are against them are small-minded.

As I said it's often the people who are ok with age-gap relationships who will say to go with that rule on here.

For those like myself who are against them when the younger person is only a teenager/very young adult that's normally the 'rule' we use, that they're not ok if the younger person is under a certain age, not the half your age plus 7 rule.

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 17:04

kkloo · 03/07/2026 17:00

I think your comments on here have been extremely small-minded.

And you seem fixated on that formula for some reason even though I don't think many in real life are sitting down and halving their age and adding 7. Also if anything it's generally the people who think age gap relationships are fine who use the quote on these threads and not the ones who are against them.

I think you've completely misunderstood me.

I don't care what age consenting adults in relationships are. The "rule" is one lots of people on here think is set in stone. I don't. People can date who they want.

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kkloo · 03/07/2026 17:00

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 09:57

Yeah, I'm often amazed at how conservative and small-minded much of the talk on here is. I'm hardly particularly radical myself, I was a very hardcore Christian for 25 years, but I seem very liberal compared to some here.

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I think your comments on here have been extremely small-minded.

And you seem fixated on that formula for some reason even though I don't think many in real life are sitting down and halving their age and adding 7. Also if anything it's generally the people who think age gap relationships are fine who use the quote on these threads and not the ones who are against them.

boingcatmavenvulture · 03/07/2026 16:34

RafaFan · 03/07/2026 15:55

Define "an age gap couple". Is it a year, 5 years, 20 years? What is acceptable?

The entire thread is about whether a specific rule on what is and isn't acceptable is stupid. The definition is there in the thread title and the original post!

RafaFan · 03/07/2026 15:55

GeneBelcher · 02/07/2026 18:53

OK the rule itself seems a bit daft but there is always something off with the older person in an age gap couple.

Define "an age gap couple". Is it a year, 5 years, 20 years? What is acceptable?

PenelopeJoanSterling · 03/07/2026 14:58

RafaFan · 03/07/2026 14:27

I saw something this morning about 100-year-old Dick Van Dyke and his 54 year old wife. They almost made it.

46 yr gap,

RafaFan · 03/07/2026 14:27

I saw something this morning about 100-year-old Dick Van Dyke and his 54 year old wife. They almost made it.

coocoocachoop · 03/07/2026 13:22

ChillingWithMySnowmies · 03/07/2026 13:10

And that entirely illustrates the point i'm making. None of us know what will happen, so immediately turning down an older/younger person because of age gap and what "might" potentially might happen in 40 years down the line is daft.

Do what makes you happy, and take life as it comes.

And my point is that you still have statistics and probability, maybe if you’re not someone who thinks much about the future much you can easily switch off, I wouldn’t be able to enjoy myself in the moment knowing that statistically our marriage will much likely be shorter, that I could be a carer or that I will eventually be alone and grieving. An important aspect of my marriage is the hope that comes with planning for the future, it must be such an elephant in the room to not be able to discuss retirement freely?

Anyways that’s of course a personality thing, people who more easily live in the moment probably won’t be hindered by that.

ChillingWithMySnowmies · 03/07/2026 13:10

coocoocachoop · 02/07/2026 22:32

My dad was the fittest man I knew. Triathlons. Dropped down with a heart attack at 59. You can be fighting fit at 80, or you could be dead, but the older you get, the more risks rise, that’s just human physiology.

And that entirely illustrates the point i'm making. None of us know what will happen, so immediately turning down an older/younger person because of age gap and what "might" potentially might happen in 40 years down the line is daft.

Do what makes you happy, and take life as it comes.

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 12:57

MyGrains · 03/07/2026 12:53

The thing is, you are the one that brought up this formula and are then arguing against it! Most people don’t stick to talking about a specific formula. They rightly think though that a 30 year-old man going out with an under 20 year-old woman is downright creepy. Formula or no formula.

Yeah, I brought up this formula because it's nonsense, that's the point I've made throughout. I've not supported it anywhere.

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MyGrains · 03/07/2026 12:53

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 11:29

Exactly, that's the whole point I'm making - reducing stuff down to formulas is ridiculous, and creates an arbitrary right/wrong thing that ignores a whole heap of other things. It's especially ridiculous when the formula is clearly a literary device or a figure of speech, and not based on any scientific modern understanding of how people and relationships work.

The simple fact is that some relationships are abusive and some aren't. Age may be a factor in that, but there's many others, and a big age gap isn't automatically a problem. Likewise, a similar age isn't automatically sweetness and light.

The thing is, you are the one that brought up this formula and are then arguing against it! Most people don’t stick to talking about a specific formula. They rightly think though that a 30 year-old man going out with an under 20 year-old woman is downright creepy. Formula or no formula.

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 11:52

I should add that of the age gap relationships I know, only one (man 30s, woman 50s) causes me any concerns, but it has nothing to do with the age gap - it's got a lot more to do with them both being gruesomely dysfunctional people who are clearly massively toxic to each other.

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TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 11:29

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 03/07/2026 10:51

This formulaic number thing sounds a bit like the Bible. You know three or four score plus ten.

But we have to give a. nod to the French who claim to know everything.

In terms of age people are free to date who they want really. As long as it's legal. Obviously there are benefits and disadvantages And you will always get both male and female schoomerzes and meal ticket merchants,

Anyway, on a positive note. Think Joan Collins and her husband who is around 30 years younger. She still seems to be very happy.

Exactly, that's the whole point I'm making - reducing stuff down to formulas is ridiculous, and creates an arbitrary right/wrong thing that ignores a whole heap of other things. It's especially ridiculous when the formula is clearly a literary device or a figure of speech, and not based on any scientific modern understanding of how people and relationships work.

The simple fact is that some relationships are abusive and some aren't. Age may be a factor in that, but there's many others, and a big age gap isn't automatically a problem. Likewise, a similar age isn't automatically sweetness and light.

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coocoocachoop · 03/07/2026 11:05

KafkasCat78 · 03/07/2026 10:56

DH and I got together when I was 19 and he was 34. We’re still together 29 years later and have just celebrated our silver 25th wedding anniversary. We have 2 lovely children who are 18 and 24 and we are still going strong. We raised a few eyebrows when we first started dating but I think we are proof that age gap relationships can work.

Did it not show a new perspective for you when you had a 19 year old? Would you have been genuinely comfortable with them dating someone at such a vastly different stage of life?

KafkasCat78 · 03/07/2026 10:56

DH and I got together when I was 19 and he was 34. We’re still together 29 years later and have just celebrated our silver 25th wedding anniversary. We have 2 lovely children who are 18 and 24 and we are still going strong. We raised a few eyebrows when we first started dating but I think we are proof that age gap relationships can work.

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 03/07/2026 10:51

This formulaic number thing sounds a bit like the Bible. You know three or four score plus ten.

But we have to give a. nod to the French who claim to know everything.

In terms of age people are free to date who they want really. As long as it's legal. Obviously there are benefits and disadvantages And you will always get both male and female schoomerzes and meal ticket merchants,

Anyway, on a positive note. Think Joan Collins and her husband who is around 30 years younger. She still seems to be very happy.

InconvenientlyMaterial · 03/07/2026 10:50

Being cool with older men feeling entitled to much younger women is hardly liberal. It's the mainstay of the most conservative, misogynist societies.

One of the reasons I have an issue with it is that young women have so much to deal with from men their own age, and we don't explicitly lay out quite how misogynist our world is, so often they are still somewhat naive. Wouldn't it be lovely for them if men old enough to be their fathers could feel paternal towards them, rather than sexually possessive?

Speakeasier · 03/07/2026 10:14

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 09:57

Yeah, I'm often amazed at how conservative and small-minded much of the talk on here is. I'm hardly particularly radical myself, I was a very hardcore Christian for 25 years, but I seem very liberal compared to some here.

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I’m generally pretty liberal but some 60 year old letching over a young woman turns my stomach. Probably because I had to put up with a lot of that shit in my youth. And I was never flattered, fell in love with them, enjoyed their experience, thought it was romantic or any of those other things we’re supposed to feel. I just felt grossed out and disgusted. I still do. Robert de Niro, Al Pacino, Donald Trump, Leonardo di Caprio all yuck. Jason Bateman, Paul Rudd, Samuel L Jackson, Denzel Washington all cool as hell.

MyGrains · 03/07/2026 10:05

TransportNerd · 03/07/2026 09:57

Yeah, I'm often amazed at how conservative and small-minded much of the talk on here is. I'm hardly particularly radical myself, I was a very hardcore Christian for 25 years, but I seem very liberal compared to some here.

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Well, some religious types are ok with a 18y old girl being married off to a 30/40y old man, so 🤷🏼‍♀️

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