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AIBU to feel like my ILs use my DHs niece to pressure me?

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IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:29

This is about my ILs. Don't know AIBU is the right place to post this question - if it is wrong please let me know... maybe it can be moved? From what I have read AIBU gets a lot of traffic and many different topics are allowed?

Summary: I feel like my ILs use my DH's niece as a way to manipulate me into doing things they want and I want to know if you think this is normal/I'm being unreasonable to resist.

Long version:
There is a lot of friction between me and my in-laws. In particular my SIL and with MIL. I will try to give you as much information as I can in this OP so I'm sorry for the length of this post!

Me and my DH got married in April this year and have been together for 17 years. We met during freshers in our first year of uni. At the time, and probably right up until the wedding, my MIL was convinced our relationship wouldn't last. She didn't say this outright but there were many tells - I haven't included them in this post because it's a bit besides the point.

In our first year of uni when we started dating my SIL was going through a nasty breakup with her fiancee and maybe that influenced MILs attitude to me (this is what DH thinks) I don't know what to make of that personally... What I do know is that since day 1 MIL has treated me in basically a belittling way. Pity almost. But this is through a mask of friendliness... if friendliness had thorns... anyway, I should mention that I am not from the UK and that is visible from the outside, if I put it that way. In the 80s MIL might have described me as "exotic". Sometimes MIL makes up facts about my background when she talks about me to her friends. Again, I don't know if this influences it at all. I would never describe MIL as racist but I think her world view has a bit of "colonial superiority/pride" to it, if that makes sense. She often comments on people's ethnic background and will interrogate waiters and shopkeepers about where they are from and then tell them about when she visited their country or if she hasn't she will tell them she has visited a country nearby, that sort of thing. It's often visible that it makes them uncomfortable...

Although SIL had a lot of problems growing up she comes across as the favourite child. I don't know if thats linked or a common thing. Some of the issues in her life continued and in the end she conceived through sperm donation since she was running out of time/options. Since there is no dad, their family often need to coordinate supportive childcare, and sometimes ask us for help. When DH and I sold our last house, MIL tried to convince us to buy a house near SIL so that I could provide childcare for her daughter. I had been let go from my job due to restructuring (and was quite depressed) and MIL thought it meant I had a lot of free time on my hands. MIL never really asked me if this is something I wanted to do, instead she took for granted that I was a resource she/they could use. In the end this didn't happen but I'm adding this for context.

At the wedding SIL was very cold to me and I can't actually remember her speaking to me except twice. Once to ask repeatedly about dinner and dinner times because "she was hungry" (even though I had provided them with this information beforehand) and another time to say something which was upsetting (would rather not go into it). She was told off by someone overhearing.

During the dinner she didn't come up to us to congratulate us, even though many other people did. I'm glad she didn't because I didn't want to chat to her either, but it's worth mentioning that she didn't make the effort. At the same time, I don't know whether it is common to do that in the UK (it is not where I am from) so I don't want to be unfair to her about this. MIL did come up to us during the meal and so did some of our friends, so I was getting mixed signals in terms of what was to be expected from guests/family during the meal.

SIL seemed quite grumpy throughout. I started getting a sense that she was sending over her daughter to ask questions about the food in a very impatient way and very loudly, constantly, and mid-meal. Questions like: When is the food coming? What food will I get next? What is the dessert? When will I get the dessert? Why isn't the dessert here? Her daughter would run between our table and theirs, back and forth, with SIL watching, so it is hard to imagine any other scenario than that the poor girl was being told "go ask them when the dessert will be here" "ask them if it is ice cream" instead of being told to for example be patient or for the adults to explain to the girl what food was coming up next. The girl also came up holding part of her food in her hand and gave it to us. Lots of saliva on it. SIL was watching this unfold. I'm guessing this was the food she didn't like and didn't want to eat. So instead of SIL eating or disposing of it, she told her go give it to us (me and DH).

This meant that I was faced with a choice of either eating her food or be rude by not accepting this "gift" from a child.

Later when all the dancing was happening, I was chatting to friends outside the dance floor. Their family were dancing inside and it felt like they were sending her over to us to scream at me, loudly: "COME DANCE WITH THE FAMILY!!!". This happened about 4 times in a row, each time the same sentence. Again, this felt like one or more adults using a child to deliver a message and I felt very uncomfortable with it. I had to say no to her each time because the whole thing seemed engineered by an adult and honestly I was having a nice conversation and wanted to continue having it.

I also thought it was a very strange thing for a 3-4 year old to say. Not the dancing part but the "with the family" part. In my experience, children of that age are more interested in "come dance with ME" or "come play with ME" but I'm not an expert... we've got a dog and ages in dog years and doesn't speak English, so what do I know?!

I thought MUMSnet would be able to help me work out whether this is expected behaviour from a child this age or if I am right to suspect they used the child to send messages. I obviously feel quite bad because the outcome has been that this poor girl has been told no over and over again and I don't want to upset her. But I also don't want to be manipulated by the grown ups.

Am I being too harsh/unreasonable?

OP posts:
Bollihobs · 02/07/2026 09:18

To answer your specific question yes what you've described is perfectly typical behaviour for a 3 year old, especially an over excited one in a special dress on a day full.of stuff she's not experienced before. So that's that.

Overall you seem to be fixing on the minutiae of stuff and focussing on a 3 year old child and as for "we've got a dog and ages in dog years and doesn't speak English, so what do I know?!" I have no idea what that means or is relevant to.

Your MIL isn't your biggest fan, well so many can say that. You and DH have been together 17 years, if she doesn't like you she doesn't like you, she's had long enough to know. Pull her up if she's ever actually racist to you other than that don't live in her pocket and get on with your own life with your DH as presumably you have been before this one day which seems to have become such a focus for you.

CoffreFort · 02/07/2026 08:53

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 15:44

I should clarify that I'm specifically trying to understand how common it is for a 3-4 year olds to behave as described, in particular about the "come dance with the family!!" part?

It’s weird that you’re giving this much energy to the possible motivations of a small child doing mildly annoying/fussy small child things. Your MIL doesn’t like you much — so what? Your SIL didn’t speak to you during your wedding meal. Those aren’t things I’d give a second thought to, tbh, and DH’s mother doesn’t much like me either (also met as undergraduates and got married much later) and has never made any secret of having preferred DH’s previous girlfriend, someone he couldn’t now pick out of a police line up!

Just live your life. Don’t ruminate over minor events. Not everyone will like you or behave as they think they should.

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 02/07/2026 08:36

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 16:20

That's because a lot of people are having weddings that they cannot afford to host properly. Of course I have kids and no, I don't walk around a wedding with a snack bag for them... I'd be absolutely humiliated if I hosted an event like a wedding and people had to bring a packed lunch because I couldn't provide enough food.

I don't know much about other people's finances or what they can and cannot afford, but your worry does not apply to our wedding.

I never said people should always carry a packed lunch, but it does strike me as a fairly good idea. I do think it's concerning that you don't carry any snacks for your children if they are so young they need to eat more often than every 3 hours. Sounds like you care more about other people and whether they can afford food at functions you go to (and the level of humiliation involved if you think they can't afford it) than about ensuring your children are fed as often as they need.

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 16:20

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 01/07/2026 14:45

Equally, if you have a fussy child then you bring snacks with you. I wonder: do you have children? If you do, do you bring snacks with you places?

The child also asked about food during the meal. And you are wrong when you say "I think most 4 year olds would complain about that" because, as I said, all the other children her age did not complain and were busy playing together or eating instead of coming up to me to ask about food.

As I type this its making me wonder if the child actually has anxiety about food and perhaps that was the reason? This question is directed to other people since you're convinced it's all my fault.

And as I've said, people were fed every 3 hours. Your description and expectation of food at weddings is unlike anything I have ever heard or experienced before. I think that's all I have to say about this to you but I do really appreciate your input and perspective, it has been helpful.

That's because a lot of people are having weddings that they cannot afford to host properly. Of course I have kids and no, I don't walk around a wedding with a snack bag for them... I'd be absolutely humiliated if I hosted an event like a wedding and people had to bring a packed lunch because I couldn't provide enough food.

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 01/07/2026 14:45

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 14:39

If you invite guests to your thing, then you accommodate your guests. I'm not going to invite a bunch of elderly people somewhere I know there won't be sitting room.

The OP mentioned the kid going on about food and then said they served food every 3 hours, I think most 4 year olds would complain about that. So no, i don't think the in laws made the kid express their hunger. The long times between food prompted that

Equally, if you have a fussy child then you bring snacks with you. I wonder: do you have children? If you do, do you bring snacks with you places?

The child also asked about food during the meal. And you are wrong when you say "I think most 4 year olds would complain about that" because, as I said, all the other children her age did not complain and were busy playing together or eating instead of coming up to me to ask about food.

As I type this its making me wonder if the child actually has anxiety about food and perhaps that was the reason? This question is directed to other people since you're convinced it's all my fault.

And as I've said, people were fed every 3 hours. Your description and expectation of food at weddings is unlike anything I have ever heard or experienced before. I think that's all I have to say about this to you but I do really appreciate your input and perspective, it has been helpful.

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 14:39

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 01/07/2026 14:33

Lexi, this really is thread not about how much food was available even though for some reason you want to make it about that/want to say its my fault for not having an open food bar for people to gorge on?

Don't take this the wrong way please but if you have a child and the child is too young to eat at set meal times then strikes me as your responsibility (not mine) to carry some snacks on you. No?

There were a handfull of other children there - same age - and they were all completely fine with the schedule as were their parents.

If you invite guests to your thing, then you accommodate your guests. I'm not going to invite a bunch of elderly people somewhere I know there won't be sitting room.

The OP mentioned the kid going on about food and then said they served food every 3 hours, I think most 4 year olds would complain about that. So no, i don't think the in laws made the kid express their hunger. The long times between food prompted that

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 01/07/2026 14:37

Bringemout · 01/07/2026 13:51

Yeah they probably did send niece over but the best response is firm but kind. “I would love to dance sweetheart but I’m talking to this person right now so go back to your mum” “ah thank you for this food but I think you should give it to your mum”.

Your in-laws clearly aren’t your biggest fans, I wouldn’t assume racism (bit of race weirdness from your MIL obviously). It may have been they would have been equally unpleasant to any woman your DH brought home, some people are just like that. Keep them at arms length.

Looking back on it I found it hard to deal with this because there was a lot happening constantly that day and so many people coming up to speak to me/us. So it was hard to have enough time to process what the right response was. But you are right and that is how I should approach it in the future - thank you!

Edit: I definitely would not assume racism, would agree with your read on it.

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 01/07/2026 14:33

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 14:05

There is usually food available to buy or eat from the wedding throughout this list you've presented. There isnt any breaks withoutbrefreshments for 3 hours at a time. You've proven my point, thank you.

Lexi, this really is thread not about how much food was available even though for some reason you want to make it about that/want to say its my fault for not having an open food bar for people to gorge on?

Don't take this the wrong way please but if you have a child and the child is too young to eat at set meal times then strikes me as your responsibility (not mine) to carry some snacks on you. No?

There were a handfull of other children there - same age - and they were all completely fine with the schedule as were their parents.

IsolatedLemonTree2 · 01/07/2026 14:28

Reportingfromwherever · 01/07/2026 13:09

This! What a ridiculously long post about nothing. You clearly don’t like SIL and MIL. Maybe they don’t like you either. But to hang on to a tiny thing a child said is crazy. Move away and just get on with your life.

Locked myself out of my email/the OP account on MN.

Hard to do the right thing on there... It's a long post because I didn't want to miss useful context so I wouldn't be told I was drip feeding info. Apologies either way for the long post?

Luckydog7 · 01/07/2026 14:25

IsolatedLemonTree · 30/06/2026 16:10

I had given this information to them. When I reminded them all the info is available in what I had sent them they would instead - i don't want to sound paranoid but - mockingly (as I perceived it anyway) say "when is the food... oh yeah it's all online 🙄 "

Edited

No sane person would expect any adult to eat the leftovers of a 3 year old. Least of all the bride at her own wedding.

You would, however be expected to be kind to your own niece and find a way of nicely saying no. 'i'll have that later thank you', then never touch it.

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 14:05

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 13:44

I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this but I also refuse to let you think you're right on this batshit point.

Standard wedding celebration timings in the UK:

1pm - ceremony (NO FOOD DURING THIS!)
1.45pm - ceremony ends, confetti, chatting, couple of photos, maybe a walk or drive to the reception venue (NO FOOD)
2.15pm - reception drinks with mingling and chatting, sometimes some music (often with canapes served)
4pm - seated for starter & main course (this is food, the main meal, the wedding breakfast)
5.15pm - speeches, obvs these can happen pre food or after pudding but we're just going general for now (this is while guests are sat down so there's no extra food, it's all just part of a normal 3 course meal)
6pm - dessert/pudding/coffees (food but again - this is part of the 3 course meal, it's not "food on tap")
6.30pm - cut the cake, maybe some more photos, the cake isn't usually served at this point, often it's whisked away to be sliced and shared later (NO FOOD)

7pm - evening guests arrive if you're doing that but otherwise, people head to the bar or mooch and mingle having a drink (NO FOOD)
7.30pm - first dance (NO FOOD)
7.35pm - DJ or band start, dance floor opens, party time (NO FOOD)
9.30pm - cake or evening buffet, BBQ, snacky things (this is food, it's an evening thing which no one's really hungry enough to do justice but it can soak up the booze if it's that kind of do and you're a drinking guest)
11.30pm - people start to leave, I've not been to a wedding where the couple leave before the party ends but that can happen (NO FOOD)
12 midnight - carriages, party ends (NO FOOD)

So you're looking at a fairly normal 2pm canapes (which not everyone eats, doesn't always happen, and it's not usually very much), 4pm 3 course meal, 9.30pm evening snack or cake.

That's not what "on tap" means. It means "available for use at any time".

There is usually food available to buy or eat from the wedding throughout this list you've presented. There isnt any breaks withoutbrefreshments for 3 hours at a time. You've proven my point, thank you.

Bringemout · 01/07/2026 13:52

Cherrysoup · 01/07/2026 13:16

Your mil sounds borderline/over the line racist.

If I had a 3-4 year old with me, I would bring snacks. The food may not be appealing to a child/not available when she feels hungry. Every time I go out with family, there are snacks/snap pots of fruit/cheddars/cheese strings or other food the parents can give to the kids, even if we're going somewhere with a café. Did the sil not do this? And why would she allow her child to persistently interrupt you at your wedding? That strikes me as a bit odd, it was your wedding day!

Yup same, I carried babybels around with me at one point. Allowing a small child (or sending one) to badger the bride at her own wedding is batshit.

Bringemout · 01/07/2026 13:51

Yeah they probably did send niece over but the best response is firm but kind. “I would love to dance sweetheart but I’m talking to this person right now so go back to your mum” “ah thank you for this food but I think you should give it to your mum”.

Your in-laws clearly aren’t your biggest fans, I wouldn’t assume racism (bit of race weirdness from your MIL obviously). It may have been they would have been equally unpleasant to any woman your DH brought home, some people are just like that. Keep them at arms length.

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 13:44

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 12:53

Well yes, if appetisers are served with the drinks then, yes, yes it is. There is access to something to eat pretty much throughout.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this but I also refuse to let you think you're right on this batshit point.

Standard wedding celebration timings in the UK:

1pm - ceremony (NO FOOD DURING THIS!)
1.45pm - ceremony ends, confetti, chatting, couple of photos, maybe a walk or drive to the reception venue (NO FOOD)
2.15pm - reception drinks with mingling and chatting, sometimes some music (often with canapes served)
4pm - seated for starter & main course (this is food, the main meal, the wedding breakfast)
5.15pm - speeches, obvs these can happen pre food or after pudding but we're just going general for now (this is while guests are sat down so there's no extra food, it's all just part of a normal 3 course meal)
6pm - dessert/pudding/coffees (food but again - this is part of the 3 course meal, it's not "food on tap")
6.30pm - cut the cake, maybe some more photos, the cake isn't usually served at this point, often it's whisked away to be sliced and shared later (NO FOOD)

7pm - evening guests arrive if you're doing that but otherwise, people head to the bar or mooch and mingle having a drink (NO FOOD)
7.30pm - first dance (NO FOOD)
7.35pm - DJ or band start, dance floor opens, party time (NO FOOD)
9.30pm - cake or evening buffet, BBQ, snacky things (this is food, it's an evening thing which no one's really hungry enough to do justice but it can soak up the booze if it's that kind of do and you're a drinking guest)
11.30pm - people start to leave, I've not been to a wedding where the couple leave before the party ends but that can happen (NO FOOD)
12 midnight - carriages, party ends (NO FOOD)

So you're looking at a fairly normal 2pm canapes (which not everyone eats, doesn't always happen, and it's not usually very much), 4pm 3 course meal, 9.30pm evening snack or cake.

That's not what "on tap" means. It means "available for use at any time".

Cherrysoup · 01/07/2026 13:16

Your mil sounds borderline/over the line racist.

If I had a 3-4 year old with me, I would bring snacks. The food may not be appealing to a child/not available when she feels hungry. Every time I go out with family, there are snacks/snap pots of fruit/cheddars/cheese strings or other food the parents can give to the kids, even if we're going somewhere with a café. Did the sil not do this? And why would she allow her child to persistently interrupt you at your wedding? That strikes me as a bit odd, it was your wedding day!

Reportingfromwherever · 01/07/2026 13:09

NoelEdmondsHairGel · 30/06/2026 15:51

Why on earth are you giving this any headspace? A very small child wanted you to dance with DH’s family. She may or may not have been egged on by her mother.

So what?

This! What a ridiculously long post about nothing. You clearly don’t like SIL and MIL. Maybe they don’t like you either. But to hang on to a tiny thing a child said is crazy. Move away and just get on with your life.

Kerry242 · 01/07/2026 13:04

Given the age of your niece - whether she was egged on or not - the child herself won't have it given it a moments thought.

SIL sounds bitter
MIL sounds unfriendly, uneducated and back dated

I don't think either of them are fans of you - which works in your favour - because they sound like troubled, dull, borderline racists.

Don't interfer with DH's relationship with them but do your best to limit your interactions and don't hold any expectations. Treat them in the same way you would a work colleague known for gossiping - be breezy, be light, and remove yourself when you feel the conversation is slipping somewhere you don't want it to go.

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 12:53

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 12:52

except it's absolutely not "food all the time" 😂

Well yes, if appetisers are served with the drinks then, yes, yes it is. There is access to something to eat pretty much throughout.

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 12:52

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 12:36

Yes and what you describe is far closer to food all of the time vs food in 3 hr intervals.

except it's absolutely not "food all the time" 😂

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 12:50

pikkumyy77 · 01/07/2026 12:44

The point

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No i think if you have young kids at the ceremony and then food evey 3 hours, it is quite likely they'll be impatiently asking for food of their own volition.

pikkumyy77 · 01/07/2026 12:44

Lexibletheflexible · 30/06/2026 16:12

To me, hour for the ceremony and then there should be food on tap and accessible to all.

The point

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hall of fame game missed the point GIF
Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 12:37

thistimelastweek · 01/07/2026 10:48

Seems to me Lexible is less than flexible in her determination to find fault with an occasion she didn't even attend

Ivw been to many weddings where guests were expected to hang around without food (or drinks on occasion) while formalities like pictures took place. It was unpleasant and not reasonable for young children attending

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 12:36

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 10:30

"food on tap" means that there is food aaaallll of the time, not at normal meal times.

Yes and what you describe is far closer to food all of the time vs food in 3 hr intervals.

thistimelastweek · 01/07/2026 10:48

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 10:30

"food on tap" means that there is food aaaallll of the time, not at normal meal times.

Seems to me Lexible is less than flexible in her determination to find fault with an occasion she didn't even attend

MajorProcrastination · 01/07/2026 10:30

Lexibletheflexible · 01/07/2026 06:34

"and once at the party venue there'll be drinks and something small like canapes or an oyster bar or snacky bits."

"Or there will be a drinks (with appetisers?) reception and mingling while the couple have photos done"

"then all go into the food room / tent / whatever and eat usually a 3 course meal of some sort (but yes, have also had curry, paella, hot buffet, BBQ). then speeches then dancing and in the evening often something like a buffet, fish and chips van, cheese board, hog roast, pizzas, hotdogs, pasties etc."

From your description, is there ever 3 hours without food?

Your description is much closer to food on tap throughout than the OP's.

"food on tap" means that there is food aaaallll of the time, not at normal meal times.

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