White working class children

You only have to read threads on Mumsnet to see how unwilling people still are to listen and accept that this is common.

Agree.

personally I don't find that Critical Race Theory destroying hope and ambition in ethnic minorities especially young black boys to be amusing. But it's rather disturbing that you do find it amusing...

Thank you - I can understand wanting to get across how terrible it was, especially when some pps are downplaying the racial element. People need to understand..

You say it's still happening and still just as hard to report : are the police still corrupt then? Ignoring the abuse? This is terrible...

It sounds like their being white was a factor...and that's relevant to know how we can protect other girls and stop this happening again.

It's difficult to disentangle though. Hatred of white people seems to have been a factor, but also the girls were despised & targeted because they were vulnerable and unprotected, not simply white.

The fact Sikh and Hindu girls were targeted suggests religious/ethnic animosity towards non Pakistani and non Muslims generally was probably a factor too. Those girls were less likely to be from vulnerable families in the same way, but there was clearly still animosity there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18092605

And general misogyny/sense of absolute control over women in the cases where Muslim girls within the community were targeted.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.mwnuk.co.uk/go_files/resources/UnheardVoices.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjoxMG8jq2VAxV1Q_EDHTe7O1MQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Hw9uNMmyuZFBMiOsoOyfh

Err because the fact that there are more white men in the UK than men of other ethnicities might have something to do with it?

You should look at the per capita statistics instead:

Apologies.
That was me. I’ll not do that again. It’s not what this thread is about.

You mean these claims are inaccurate? So the Arab slave trade and the Hindu caste system were caused by white people?

Or do you mean something else?

Imagine if they had said that about non WC. There would have been outrage. Kids should get treated the same and given the same opportunities. Regardless of skin colour.

No, sorry, I just meant let's not get into too much detail of what crimes exactly happened.

A simple google could’ve helped you debunk yourself

It was 2012 and I was sitting in presentations over the course of 2 years working on the project. I don’t work there anymore and don’t have access to the files of evidence. I linked the articles that talked about the project I’m referring to but can’t access schools data and dept of education data or presentations anymore.

It matters because it means other girls will be targeted for the same reason.

The same reason it matters if anyone is targeted for assault because of their race.

We can’t stop it if we don’t acknowledge patterns of behaviour and address the motives.

They’ve been raped- what importance do they put on the need to be acknowledged as victims of racism in that context? Genuine question, is that actually a concern of theirs or something you’ve assumed to use in this response?

white supremacy benefits white people. Like patriarchy benefits men.

it doesn’t mean that white people still don’t suffer.

im sorry that happened to your friend. I hope she’s ok now and she’s got a strong support network around her

Racism exists due to white people and white supremacy. White people benefit from racism they aren’t victims of it

• this is a weird and unhelpful outlook. White people certainly have created some forms of racism but other forms have nothing to do with white people. How does your framework explain discrimination and in some eras, slavery of, Sub Saharan Africans by Arabs? Or for that matter, the Hindu caste system, which appears to have originated with lighter skinned invaders mistreating the original, darker skinned population (which also fed into colourism)? In a sense to say white people have invented all racism is to say that they've had ultimate control over all of the world always, which is obviously not true.

Naming the city isn’t going to traumatise anyone

Thanks.
I’ll pass that nugget on to my friends from school who were raped and told it was all white girls were good for because white girls are all slags and scum. I’m sure they’ll be so relieved to hear they’re privileged and that they didn’t actually face any racism.

Phew
For other readers, this is exactly what they faced when trying to report their rapes, attacks and attempted murders.

Please let's not get into too much detail on this thread though...I've read a bit of the report but couldn't finish as it was too horrible.

No white people have not faced racism. No white supremacy was constructed by white people to benefit white people. We are not the victims of it.

that doesn’t mean bad things don’t happen to white people and it could even be done to them because they are white but white people do not suffer from racism. How are we this deluded. Why must we try and paint ourselves as victims constantly, it’s so embarrassing

what happened to those girls is nothing short of horrific and she was absolutely abused and definitely sounds like there is some us v them prejudice against people from different backgrounds here, and these girls happened to be white.

their actions are inexcusable and point to a really deep hatred of women number one

but on the specific point of racism no, because racism is prejudice + power and in every other scenario aside from this foul foul one those girls, like myself do not suffer on account of being white.

i think there is so real work that needs to go into understanding that disdain that was had and how it was brought about, is it generational trauma from racial abuse that people in the community face. I know many Pakistani friends whose friends and family get racially abused often. Is it a reaction to that, that deep seated hatred? I don’t know

Where did this happen?! I was unfortunately close to one of the investigations and havent heard this dog stuff before!

It doesn’t naturally follow that it leads to “we must protect our women” and we cannot allow fear of that conversation to stop us asking awkward and unpleasant questions about behaviours in any community.

I find it deeply concerning that so many people on this thread think that white communities can’t be marginalised, or that white privilege trumps any other perceived ill.

Well, when the girls were being raped and being forced to have sex with dogs for large numbers of the perpetrators, they were frequently told that it was all white girls were good for.
Which leads me to believe they were targeted because of their race. Yes.

My point is not to say that brown men are bad. They aren’t. And they absolutely do face racism.

My point is that white people can and have faced racism.

But were the other girls targeted because they were white or because they were vulnerable or exploitation and non Muslim and happened to be the largest demographic available?

to me this says more rampant misogyny than it does about race

but my point is, this line of thought gets very brown men= problem and ‘we need to protect ‘our’ women and girls from these Muslim men’ very very quickly