Do we need another rule to protect ourselves from rape?

@wellindeed - re the idea that men don’t rape for sexual gratification, they rape because they want to show they have power - I struggle with it somehow. Surely men could show they have power in other ways, e.g. by making women and children visibly scared, or by making them do non-sexual things. But they don’t usually, it’s usually sexual. I think men do want sexual gratification, and they think that woman are ‘less than’ them, so they just take what they want.

Not sure they would. I mean, some co-operatives / communities manage to keep out people they don’t fancy by economic means, some by expectations of contribution (work) - geography can also be helpful. I should imagine the middle of a big city would be tricky but a falling down sprawling farmhouse might work. Or the trusty chateau - because the countryside is just big.

It needs to be removed.

But the genie is out of the bottle.

Well, it's the easy availability of online porn isn't it? It's completely warped large numbers of them.

Yes it’s power . When I was sexually harassed at work it was because I was up myself , and had to be taken down a peg or two .

Add to that what clothes you were wearing . If you had bright red lipstick on and bright red nail polish that led the man on .

Crumbs. That’s a real ‘has it come to this’ moment. Good idea - could be linked directly to police is anything flags.

These already exist. A urine test kit for GHB costs around £5.

I guess so, yes. Too many men who think they and their urges are more important than any woman, or indeed any creature on earth. (Boys as victims too of course - there was a recent case of a 13 year old boy drugged and gang raped at a festival in Morocco, plus Preston Davey, who didn't need to be drugged as he was just a baby). There are too many men who don't give a fuck about anything but their dicks.

I think until men lead conversations and are actively, regularly, publicly agreeing with the hirror of this behaviour it will not change. VAWG is appalling. The way the Internet has allowed the most heinous and despicable behaviour to be 'normalised' by creating echo chambers for crimes like this and creating enabling environments is sickening.

How about an easy home test for date rape drugs? Wake up feeling groggy and confused - have the option to pee on a stick immediately.
That would provide physical evidence as well and covers all instances of spiking.

These are actually widely available for a few pounds. Definitely worth keeping in your medicine cabinet if you think there's any chance you could be at risk. Most women would never think their husband could do this to them though. Maybe these high profile cases will at least bring more awareness to the possibility, especially to those women experiencing unexplained symptoms.

The men in the Manchester case all looked so ordinary. Different ages, ethnicities, jobs etc but all so ordinary looking. I mean I know it can be any man. But jeez it shocked and horrified me To the core seeing their faces arriving at court. Absolutely vile

I could go running with earphones in the middle of nowhere and drink in the freedom.

That's made me cry, we don't want the moon on a stick - we just want to be safe.

Day after day, NAMALT looks more and more like wishful thinking.

i saw this article earlier
How do these sick bastards find each other? I despair for our society and the future.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnv9er181lno?app-referrer=deep-link

Its incredibly rare that 100s of men in your local area would rape a drugged woman if invited by her husband? How exactly do you know this? Wheres your evidence?

And just know, if when walking alone at night you do get attacked, you'll be told its your fault for being stupid enough to walk alone at night.

There was recently a series in TV where men had a curfew after dark and various other curtails to their freedoms. I didn’t watch it all (started off well then got weird), but the premise was interesting.

idk what to think anymore about men! DD has been hassled recently (is gay w short hair and the androgynous look), my DS told me something quite shocking as well. Even the most ‘lovely’ men def have a dark side - urges or hormones they can’t control.

That’s why I suggested constant practice of defence. Women need to organise collectively and have weapons. I’m convinced the real reason men keep control of defence is to stop women doing exactly this. ‘Insisting they are women’ well quite clearly they aren’t.

That’s a clue though. Fetish stuff is now being presented to men as an interest area, the same way my FB feed is full of knitting videos. So a man- or quite probably boy- will be introduced to many different niche possibilities that wouldn’t otherwise have crossed his mind. And it escalates.
Sadly in recent years, with boys, their exposure to this stuff probably precedes any experience. So their tastes are formed around what they are exposed to, and of course it’s normalised to them. At the expense of girls.

Men would just invade like they always fucking do. Either by insisting that they too are a woman, or just by force.