Hubbys job at risk because of family

And add potential charges for wasting police time?! Terrible advice

I read this as meaning the op and her husband didn’t know the SIL stole at all (well, apart from men of course) - it was only when he had the conversation with his brother (presumably after she was caught stealing) that the brother told him that he’d told his wife not to shoplift when using the card.

I don’t understand though how she was caught stealing twice, but the staff discount yes has only been found after the second time.

Of course it is, but he’s only involved because he allowed unauthorised use of his card.

This.

There are two separate issues here OP.

1.The SIL stealing.
She’ll likely have to go to court etc, potentially get a criminal record and potentially lose her job etc.
But your DH is not connected to that.

2.Your DH giving his brother his discount card.
It completely depends on how serious the company takes this breach of trust.
It may be that DH can lie and say his brother accidentally took his but I doubt that will slide.

But SIL stealing has nothing to do with your DH breaching his contract.

You cannot blame SIL if DH loses his job as he chose to do something that was against the rules.

I can’t understand why you’re more annoyed at your SIL for putting DH’s job on the line, instead of DH who is the only one who actually put his job on the line.

"Do one" - meaning "get lost".

I sorry to inform you but I did this and a family member stole but also was using my card when purchasing something and it flags of the system that it has been used and they found out they was using my card and it is classed as stealing from the company when using an employee card to get money off without it being in their name I got fired for gross misconduct for this and they said they normally would get police involved and would have to pay back all the money off that they got while using my card but they just dropped this and didn’t make me pay it back but since he’s in the management position I don’t know if it’s different

Like fuck did you receive an email from them at that time unless it’s the generic one that everybody gets. I don’t understand why you would send it to head office, are you Ken’s wife? 😂

What happened the first time she got caught?

She's not entitled to use the card at all, so even if she hadn't shoplifted the supermarket would still consider the discount she got theft, enabled by your husband. The fact she also shoplifted is just how they traced the discount theft to him.

So yes, big error on your husband's part to give it to anyone else in the first place.

The proper shoplifting (not intending to pay at all) is on her and separate.

Your hubby isn’t the sharpest tool in the box, clearly. But hopefully he’ll only get a warning. There’s worse things he could have done.

Yip Asda is the same don't bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind.
The dh is an idiot!

We like our 15% ofc you've got to be a numbnut to jeopardise that.

You might want to edit the title to ‘Hubby’s job at risk because he was stupid’

his own fault, could have got a family card but couldn’t be arsed. 🤷‍♀️

Lending someone your discount card is effectively stealing.

I think youre right. He'll lose his job. It won't be because your SIL stole.

It will be because your husband tried to defraud his employer.

He will have to lie and say she stole the card with out his permission and maybe even call the police in her

if hes not allowed to share card hes been a fool

Wouldn’t this be gross misconduct anyway?

OP clarified: You can order one for a family member but he never did so hubby gave him his.

Either DH wasn't aware of the consequences of his actions (which suggests he didn't read the T&Cs he signed) or did he, but didn't think he would get caught.

A lot of your advice is based on the assumption that was was a family card. If it were, would DH still be responsible for BIL's "misuse" (sharing it with his partner) and how would the partners theft factor into it from an employment law perspective? Is DH still ultimately responsible for how his nominated family member uses their card? And can he be disciplined for theft committed by another individual that he didn't collude in?

Then hubby is going to lose his job because he allowed someone to use his card!

What on earth are you playing at?

That seems to be the crux of the matter. Your husband has breached the work protocol - never mind his thieving brother’s partner.

I'm assuming the employee card is personal to the holder and that Ts&Cs prohibit use by others.

Employer might charge Gross Misconduct.

I don't see this ending well.

I think it's irrelevant that the SIL was caught stealing. The issue with DH is as others have said the misuse of the card. It sounds like he could have got one for BIL to use but chose not to. That is on him. As a manager he should know the policies and ensure he is following them, especially if he is ever involved in line management of staff and disciplinaries for them.

If he loses his job it will be because of his misconduct in breaking the terms of his employment. Whether that amounts to gross misconduct, none of us can tell, but your dh is in a management position so I cannot understand why he risked his job like this. I really wouldn’t advise lying and saying his card was stolen as dishonesty will make it worse

@Sensiblesal This is one of the only times I would advocate the going absolutely fucking mental approach.

🤣 This has absolutely cracked me up!

Sorry to hear this OP. I am an employment lawyer and I had a large supermarket chain as a client - abuse of the staff discount comes up really often unfortunately, and it’s very difficult for an employee to win a claim if the policy was breached (and therefore trust by extension).

He should try and focus on mitigation - if he has a clean disciplinary history and long service, tell them. Offer to repay any money if he can. Give them assurances that no further issues would occur if he kept his job, and that he wouldn’t use the discount again or offer it to family. It wasn’t deliberate/authorised, so it isn’t directly his fault, so there’s hope for him if he cooperates, shows remorse, and gives them assurances about how he’ll prevent any recurrence in future.

This assumes they had a specific family card - if they’d been using your DHs then yes, he likely will be dismissed I’m afraid.

Sorry op i don’t think DH has a leg to stand on. You’re not overreacting but i think you need to put more onus on DH himself.

Exactly this.