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To be fed up of hearing 'just get on with it'?

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glitterpaperchain · 24/06/2026 16:48

This kind of 'just get on with it' RE the heat is all over Facebook. People talking about the heat in 1976 and saying 'we just got on with it' or 'we muddled through' (as if people didn't die as a result of that heatwave)

My issue is - shouldn't we as a society be aiming higher than just getting on with things and muddling through? We should be campaigning for better infrastructure, better working practices.

I just think we have all this technology, we're supposed to be a rich country, let's fight to make things better rather than just managing. What happened to the spirit of the first union workers who demanded better conditions and rights? I want to see that spirit back.

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Member869894 · 25/06/2026 08:52

Loving the erudite but rather bitchy exchange between Sheismycherrypie and Glitterpaperchain

Malasana · 25/06/2026 08:51

@glitterpaperchain have you started a campaign? If you post the details I’m sure that many mumsnetters will be happy to join you, including me.

Passaggressfedup · 25/06/2026 08:50

Ok you're either a troll or incapable of critical thinking, I'm done
So ultimately, just getting on with it!

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:50

Passaggressfedup · 25/06/2026 08:49

You moaned about train cancellations and I've said train cancellations due to the heat happens in got countries too!

It are you saying that this never happens because their infrastructure is such that trains are never delayed due to high temperatures?

No I'm not saying that 😂

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Passaggressfedup · 25/06/2026 08:49

You moaned about train cancellations and I've said train cancellations due to the heat happens in got countries too!

It are you saying that this never happens because their infrastructure is such that trains are never delayed due to high temperatures?

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:48

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:48

Oh OP you’ve been taken in by all those false prophets who tell you what you want to hear. There is no escape from capitalism, not unless the Western world unanimously decides to do it in one go, which isn’t going to happen.

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Ok you're either a troll or incapable of critical thinking, I'm done

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:48

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:45

Who is French.

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And??????

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Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:48

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:45

No I'm done, you'll use this to say that I'm wrong but the kind of tax changes and private deal made over literal decades is not something I'm going to explain in great detail in a mumsnet thread. There are literal books on the subject.

A recent one is Escape from Capitalism by Clara Mattei. George Monbiot is a good writer on capitalism and the environment.

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Oh OP you’ve been taken in by all those false prophets who tell you what you want to hear. There is no escape from capitalism, not unless the Western world unanimously decides to do it in one go, which isn’t going to happen.

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:45

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:38

I was going to add ‘let me guess, you’ll say something about their mates’ but I didn’t 😂😂 what cronyism specifically? Of course there is some corruption and cronyism, but not to the tune of billions which it would take to even start making a dent in the things we’re discussing. Unless you can show otherwise?

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No I'm done, you'll use this to say that I'm wrong but the kind of tax changes and private deal made over literal decades is not something I'm going to explain in great detail in a mumsnet thread. There are literal books on the subject.

A recent one is Escape from Capitalism by Clara Mattei. George Monbiot is a good writer on capitalism and the environment.

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Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:45

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:38

There are economists talking about doing exactly that, such as Gabriel Zucman

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Who is French.

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:41

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:38

There are economists talking about doing exactly that, such as Gabriel Zucman

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Look I didn't have to use AI to answer!

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TaraRhu · 25/06/2026 08:38

I work in planning and architecture and I can guarantee you that these discussions are happening. But no one can afford to just upgrade the rail network etc it will take a lot of time. Also it is only for a few days and lots of the country above Birmingham are fine.

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:38

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:37

Can you refute what I’m actually saying? Maybe produce a couple of sources of your own, showing how we can just tax the corporations and be a very wealthy country again?

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There are economists talking about doing exactly that, such as Gabriel Zucman

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Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:38

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:37

So say what you mean rather than some made up thing designed to misrepresent what I said?

Yes there are many reasons. (I know you think I'm some dim 6th form level person but I do understand that there are reasons for things) Cronyism being one.

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I was going to add ‘let me guess, you’ll say something about their mates’ but I didn’t 😂😂 what cronyism specifically? Of course there is some corruption and cronyism, but not to the tune of billions which it would take to even start making a dent in the things we’re discussing. Unless you can show otherwise?

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:37

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:34

You know what I meant. You’re forced to focus on semantics are your arguments are… well, flimsy at best.

There’s a reason many Chancellors of the Exchequers haven’t managed to do what you’re asserting would be so easy.

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So say what you mean rather than some made up thing designed to misrepresent what I said?

Yes there are many reasons. (I know you think I'm some dim 6th form level person but I do understand that there are reasons for things) Cronyism being one.

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Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:37

MasterBeth · 25/06/2026 08:35

You are the person posting Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail content without realising it was Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail content. You can't really go around calling people dim.

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Can you refute what I’m actually saying? Maybe produce a couple of sources of your own, showing how we can just tax the corporations and be a very wealthy country again?

MasterBeth · 25/06/2026 08:35

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:30

Oh God, here we go.

No political party has managed to ‘extract all the profits from corporations’ because it isn’t actually possible. Not without causing pyrrhic economic damage and investment in this country to plummet. You can’t just take and take and use it to prop up the jobless and needy - that’s sixth form politics by dim people who have very little understanding of the world.

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You are the person posting Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail content without realising it was Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail content. You can't really go around calling people dim.

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:34

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:32

Do you want to tell me where I said we should extract ALL the profits?

If you have to exaggerate what I said to ridiculous proportions in order to argue against it you must have quite a weak position. Why do you feel it necessary to do that rather than respond to what I actually said?

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You know what I meant. You’re forced to focus on semantics are your arguments are… well, flimsy at best.

There’s a reason many Chancellors of the Exchequers haven’t managed to do what you’re asserting would be so easy.

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:33

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:29

I think you're the delusional one since you've imagined that? I never said there aren't any train delays. Someone asked how other countries deal with heat and I gave some factual answers. What about that is utopic? Which things on my list aren't true? It's not an exhaustive list of all possible effects in every country

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Until tax revenue increases and people’s neediness and dependency on the state reduces, we are stuck like this, unfortunately.

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:32

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:30

Oh God, here we go.

No political party has managed to ‘extract all the profits from corporations’ because it isn’t actually possible. Not without causing pyrrhic economic damage and investment in this country to plummet. You can’t just take and take and use it to prop up the jobless and needy - that’s sixth form politics by dim people who have very little understanding of the world.

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Do you want to tell me where I said we should extract ALL the profits?

If you have to exaggerate what I said to ridiculous proportions in order to argue against it you must have quite a weak position. Why do you feel it necessary to do that rather than respond to what I actually said?

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Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 08:30

glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:06

...what are you talking about? Separate the state from the individual?

So you think people getting their needs met is the cause of problems today. Not the corporations generating billions in profit at the expense of the workforce and paying extremely little tax?

The NHS is very different and provides for many more people and needs than it did when it was set up, yes, but another difference between now and then is that when it was set up there were far more taxes in place to tax wealth. That's how it was funded. Since then the disparity between the rich and poor has grown to such an extent it's now at a similar level to what it was during the French revolution.

The reason we can't afford nice things is because more and more wealth has been removed from the economy and hoarded. Many services have been privatised and government contracts given to private companies which moves taxpayer money out of the public and into private hands.

And yet some people have been convinced that's it's...just checking your post...people seeking medical care, SEN children, and disabled people that are the problem.

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Oh God, here we go.

No political party has managed to ‘extract all the profits from corporations’ because it isn’t actually possible. Not without causing pyrrhic economic damage and investment in this country to plummet. You can’t just take and take and use it to prop up the jobless and needy - that’s sixth form politics by dim people who have very little understanding of the world.

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:29

Passaggressfedup · 25/06/2026 08:26

You have an utopic view of how other countries deal with it. If you think there are never any train delays in Spain, Italy or Greece because of the hot weather, you are delusional.

I think you're the delusional one since you've imagined that? I never said there aren't any train delays. Someone asked how other countries deal with heat and I gave some factual answers. What about that is utopic? Which things on my list aren't true? It's not an exhaustive list of all possible effects in every country

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Passaggressfedup · 25/06/2026 08:26

You have an utopic view of how other countries deal with it. If you think there are never any train delays in Spain, Italy or Greece because of the hot weather, you are delusional.

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:09

Rubyslipperswitch · 25/06/2026 08:05

Climate change and extreme weather events are real and we need to take action both in term of infrastructure and behaviour changes.

But for some people it is easier to put their head in the sand, pretend it is not happening, that this is just usual summer weather and that we should just 'get on with it'...

Humidity combine with heat is making things worse for us than if it was dry heat and our infrastructure is not set up to cope with extreme heat or cold.

This heat is truly dangerous for so many people: the elderly, children, people who take certain medications which makes it harder for their body to cope with the heat...

I think the 'get on with it' brigade are either the type that worship capitalism and/or are not affected much by the heat because they don't use public transport, work from home or have air conditioning. Nick Ferrari on LBC being a good example of that hypocrisy.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

There are literally train tracks becoming misshapen in the heat which means cancelled trains. Shall we send some mumsnetters out to go and yell at the train tracks to just get on with it?

But suggesting the government might want to do something about that is me being entitled and wanting everything done for me. I'll go roll my sleeves up and fix the train tracks myself!

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glitterpaperchain · 25/06/2026 08:06

Sheismycherrypie · 25/06/2026 07:56

Because the reason why we can’t have all those nice expensive things you want is because of individualism.

The individuals in this country are so needy that they’re costing the country far far more than a comparable person 30 years ago. People visit the doctor far more, they draw pensions for longer, far more children need SEN packages and taxis, everyone wants things which cost a lot of money, seeing it as their ‘right’ while our benefit bill has spiralled to the extent PIP alone costs more than our entire military.

At this point you can’t separate the state from the individual as people like you want them to be heavily intertwined.

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...what are you talking about? Separate the state from the individual?

So you think people getting their needs met is the cause of problems today. Not the corporations generating billions in profit at the expense of the workforce and paying extremely little tax?

The NHS is very different and provides for many more people and needs than it did when it was set up, yes, but another difference between now and then is that when it was set up there were far more taxes in place to tax wealth. That's how it was funded. Since then the disparity between the rich and poor has grown to such an extent it's now at a similar level to what it was during the French revolution.

The reason we can't afford nice things is because more and more wealth has been removed from the economy and hoarded. Many services have been privatised and government contracts given to private companies which moves taxpayer money out of the public and into private hands.

And yet some people have been convinced that's it's...just checking your post...people seeking medical care, SEN children, and disabled people that are the problem.

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