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To think this stance is hypocritical?

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SorcererGaheris · 24/06/2026 12:22

This is in relation to one particular individual, although I am also aware of it as a broader thing.

Not so long ago I had an interaction with a FB acquaintance in which he stated, among other things - "I intend to do harm to the occult community." As an occultist myself, I am part of this community, and naturally don't like the idea of people actively trying to harm it/us. So I questioned him about his attitude.

(NB - he is not religious, he is a completely secular philosophical materialist, who disdains everything mystical or spiritual. That in itself is not an issue - people are entitled to personal opinions and personal disdain - but when people actively say they want to cause harm to myself and my community, that is a different thing entirely.)

Where I think he is hypocritical is in the fact that he is a champion of diversity, equal rights and minority rights. He himself is an ethnic minority where he lives and speaks out about prejudice and hatred towards racial minorities, LGBT, etc.

If someone is genuinely committed to diversity, then surely that diversity should encompass everyone? Every group/community?

A world without occultists is a LESS diverse world. Advocating for the (at best) marginalisation (or at worst, elimination) of occultists is in direct conflict with the values that he appears to hold.

I don't see how someone who champions diversity can desire to do harm to the occult community, and promote its marginalisation, without being hypocritical.

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crushedgrapes · 24/06/2026 13:20

Agree Op, he sounds awful, it's narrow minded at best.

SorcererGaheris · 24/06/2026 13:19

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 24/06/2026 13:16

Occultists, as a group, are not promoting bigotry and hatred or harming other people.

@VimesandhisCardboardBoots

Occultists are a diverse group of people with varied views, and there isn't one way to think or one specific tradition or practice.

I think I can quite confidently say that it is a fact that occultists are not universally and collectively (as an entire group) promoting hatred and bigotry. Individuals might do, but that's them individually.

Have you got reason to believe that all occultists are collectively promoting bigotry? Because I am an occultist and I can say that I certainly don't.

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gotmyselfintoapickle · 24/06/2026 13:19

SorcererGaheris · 24/06/2026 13:00

I should perhaps also add that he said to me that he believes "all occultists do harm" - which is palpably ridiculous.

This kind of prejudice and ignorance is unbecoming from anyone, but to me, it cuts even harder when it comes from someone who is actually intelligent and compassionate in other areas.

I should perhaps also add that he said to me that he believes "all occultists do harm"

What harm does he believe they do, out of interest?

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 24/06/2026 13:16

SorcererGaheris · 24/06/2026 13:10

@geraniums111

That's not an apt comparison. Racists and homophobes, as a group, promote bigotry and hatred (and sometimes) take hateful and bigoted actions.

Occultists, as a group, are not promoting bigotry and hatred or harming other people.

There is no valid reason not to be tolerant of occultists.

Occultists, as a group, are not promoting bigotry and hatred or harming other people.

the dude your opinion GIF
SorcererGaheris · 24/06/2026 13:10

geraniums111 · 24/06/2026 13:06

Of course you can't be tolerant of everything just because you believe in diversity. 'Racists? Oh it's just an opinion! Homophobic - entitled to their views!'

Google the paradox of tolerance.

@geraniums111

That's not an apt comparison. Racists and homophobes, as a group, promote bigotry and hatred (and sometimes) take hateful and bigoted actions.

Occultists, as a group, are not promoting bigotry and hatred or harming other people.

There is no valid reason not to be tolerant of occultists.

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geraniums111 · 24/06/2026 13:06

Of course you can't be tolerant of everything just because you believe in diversity. 'Racists? Oh it's just an opinion! Homophobic - entitled to their views!'

Google the paradox of tolerance.

SorcererGaheris · 24/06/2026 13:00

I should perhaps also add that he said to me that he believes "all occultists do harm" - which is palpably ridiculous.

This kind of prejudice and ignorance is unbecoming from anyone, but to me, it cuts even harder when it comes from someone who is actually intelligent and compassionate in other areas.

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