Football and domestic abuse

You think it’s being enforced on the basis of an online news article. My point is you don’t know. You’d have to have more direct knowledge to know that

I would point out here that a) it is being enforced and b) the UK also has a "strong history of corruption".

The UK is soft on domestic violence as compared to many EU countries, with a key point being the ability of the CPS to decide that there isn't enough evidence and halting proceedings before they have even begun.

The point I am making is that it's seems there is always an excuse in the UK for why they can't possibly put measures in place, meanwhile multiple other objectively poor countries can and do and effectively so.

Yeah, this is part of it certainly.

Social Credit systems are really the preserve of despotic, Authoritarian, and Populist governments, and I don't think it's a good idea to start going down that route here in an attempt to tackle a problem which really needs addressed directly itself. I also have my doubts that in the heat of the moment any violent partner is going to pause and alter their behaviour because of the prospect of perhaps being locked out of Gillingham vs Accrington Stanley.

My boyfriend who is 43 recently went to a man united match on an under 16s season ticket, they are not checking much if that happens!!

I think a really emotive ad campaign played at half time in big matches plus zero training or playing opportunities for any players accused of domestic violence would be a good start. We need everyone to show it's unacceptable and we need men to step up and shun other men who abuse their wives and families.

Unfortunately the sort of person who commits DV is not going to be swayed by the possible loss of access to a football match for two reasons.
In the era of e-tickets and unmanned electronic gates there is no one to check who is actually entering the ground and to attempt it in a Premier League stadium holding over 40,000 people would be impracticable.
In theory it is an offence to enter a game using someone else's ticket but in practice unless the person is checked inside the ground, for example if they cause trouble and come to the attention of the stewards/police, it can't be done.
It would not be an effective deterrent and it would not be enforced.
The only way to enforce it would be to make the criminal attend a police station at kick off time to keep them away from the ground or to put a tag on them but of course you would have to prove that they were intending to go to the football anyway.

Because lots of countries have laws and policies they don’t really implement or monitor, and grandstanding “mayors”.

There are many countries were this happens, particularly, as you say, lower income countries with strong histories of corruption.

What do you mean "how do I know it's effective"? It is a policy that they have. Fans have to scan their ID before they go into the match and if they have a case against them for unpaid child support they are sent packing. Perhaps the odd one slips through the net but regardless, it sends a message - non payment of child support can and will have consequences you ACTUALLY care about.

How on earth would it work? Football bnning orders are a specific punishment handed out by magistrates. The only way to tie domestic violence convictions to watching football would be for every DV offender to receive a football banning order too. Bearing in mind the prevalence of DV, how would that be policed and enacted by clubs?

Many offenders don't go to football matches anyway. They may watch on TV, they may watch rugby, they may not watch any sport. It's alcohol consumption that has the most significant association with DV.

I think you're looking at this completely the wrong way round. Work needs to be done to prevent domestic violence, starting in childhood. That's what will improve women's lives, not banning offenders from watching sport.

Imagine how effective it could be if Tommy Robinson and his Raise The Colours crew did sims marching against domestic abuse related to foorball tournaments. What with them all bring about “protection our women and girls” and all that.
Id love to see the Venn diagram of TR / RTC supporters/ marchers - football fans and DA perpetrators.

It is, and at pubs etc. only a small number of them will regularly attend games

I thought, possibly naively, that it was fans watching on TV rather than those at the actual games.

Whilst most football clubs really are shit at doing anything to improve the community or standard of the fans lives, I also think a big barrier is football fans, particularly violent ones, aren’t really that bothered what their clubs think of them. In the hooligans days clubs were begging them to stop, tried everything.

How do you know this is effective in Argentina?

If it doesn’t make money they won’t do it. Capitalism, everything is for profit.

The problem in implementing anything like this is that across the UK a large proportion of league football matches are not actually ticketed. It's turn up on the day and pay at the gate, no ID required. The advent of online sales and e-ticketing also means that there is no physical address involved either, so all you need is a spurious "a.n. other" pseudonym and some form of electronic payment.

If you want to make all organised league matches all ticket, then someone is going to have to pony up the money for the tiny, broke clubs without the infrastructure to do this, and underwrite the cost of administering a tickets-only policy for games in which only a few hundred people ever turn up.

Given that Argentina has a program since 2025 where non payment of child support = not allowed to go to football matches please can we accept that this is yet another one of those things where the UK says "impossible" "how would we implement such a thing" "logistics are too complicated" plus a load of other excuses meanwhile far poorer countries just get on with it.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/mundial/20260613/1004194705/argentina.html

If they wanted to ban domestic abusers from football stadiums, they could. If they wanted to put air conditioning in your schools and public buildings, they could. If they wanted to implement policies that would be actually helpful to promote gender equality (public nursery, paternity leave of the same amount of time of maternity leave with a mandatory 6 weeks period after the birth, insisting that all political parties as 50% female, insisting that all companies over 250 employees have 50% female board members), they could. If they wanted a decent health service, they could have one.

The UK has the economic capacity to build these structures into its society. But, the men in power....don't want to. So they say it's impossible

Interesting to wonder how so many other countries manage to implement these social measures, all the time. But the UK.....just CAN'T. 🙄

Enforcement of the banning orders usually relies on passport control. It's not unusual for fans with banning orders to actually get out of the country, only to arrive at the destination, be refused entry, and get escorted back to the UK by British police.

The Government and FA went through all this years back when hooliganism was a massive problem in the 70s and 80s. They introduced football ID cards, mandatory checks on turnstiles, penned fans in like animals, dug moats around pitches, all sorts. It didn't prevent hooligans attending matches, it didn't stop them fighting in the street, it didn't prevent them embarrassing themselves abroad.

Part of the problem is that any thing that the football clubs did would just be lip service as they would have to start with the players themselves.

I work in child protection. Football (and sunshine) = increase in referrals. We used to always get an email before the world cup/euros reminding us years ago. I think it is just pretty much a given now

It’s probably not practical but I like your thinking.
Maybe football clubs could have a positive influence on these horrid men, it would be worth them trying something for sure.