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To think Andy Burnham is smug?

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Lyra25 · 22/06/2026 12:28

To think Andy Burnham is smug and presumptuous. Just that really and I have no particular political preference, disillusioned with the lot!

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GilesTurnbull · 22/06/2026 14:05

JimBobsWife · 22/06/2026 13:25

Are you insane? You don’t care how able they are, as long as they’re not white? In a country with a white majority. Why?

Rishi Sunak wasn’t white, but people still hated him.

Edited

Heh heh. Sorry. I couldn’t resist. The comment about labour leaders being white was so utterly puerile. All that ‘give the talentless a leg up for the sake of box ticking DEI’ is so detrimental in every way, I had to send it up. Apologies to your blood pressure.

Lyra25 · 22/06/2026 14:04

Greenleavesandsunshine · 22/06/2026 13:45

OP is this a thread to allow you to make every simplistic, ignorant political point you can. Like a competition?
Is he smug? Who cares? Is he intelligent, principled, politically pragmatic- these are the questions that matter.
Yes, he has been elected. We live in a parliamentary democracy, go an look at some of the 1 million other threads where this is discussed.
You want to stop infighting and have more collaboration and your title is an insult to AB for being ‘smug’. Yeah, insulting people the best way to start collaboration.
It would seem you are struggling to put two coherent thoughts together. Do better.

I think you’ll find that, unfortunately, politics has turned into a massive popularity game and that a lot of voters approach it simplistically, whether you like it or not. It is also turned into a farce by the media. Ed Miliband is a good example of that, back stabbed his brother and ate a bacon sandwich the wrong way.

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JimBobsWife · 22/06/2026 14:01

Sartre · 22/06/2026 14:01

I love him. Work in Manchester and he’s done an incredible job, he’s very very popular here.

Boris was very very popular as London mayor.

It's not hard to be popular as mayor, you don't usually have to make very difficult decisions that piss a lot of people off.

Sartre · 22/06/2026 14:01

I love him. Work in Manchester and he’s done an incredible job, he’s very very popular here.

Lyra25 · 22/06/2026 14:00

Greenleavesandsunshine · 22/06/2026 13:48

@Lyra25please go away and educate yourself on the country you live in and how it is governed. You’re making a tit of yourself.

Not at all. We have had a parade of prime ministers who have been subject to media scrutiny like never before. It’s destabilising the country

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GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 22/06/2026 14:00

Reform will win the next GE. That is is now a given. Andy Burnham is being brought in to ensure that Labour are at least the main opposition party.

midwalker · 22/06/2026 13:55

@Greenleavesandsunshine I am talking about the fact that he seems to expect to be crowned leader and PM without even a leadership contest within the party- not a GE.

NormasArse · 22/06/2026 13:53

JoyousOpalLemur · 22/06/2026 13:07

He does seem like someone who thinks it's his god given right to be PM.

He looks like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.

A very balanced view of him as a politician there 🙄

midwalker · 22/06/2026 13:52

Greenleavesandsunshine · 22/06/2026 13:47

@midwalker he wasn’t arrogant he was correct. He understands the political system we have in the U.K. - unlike you. On the whole I’m quite glad our potential PM has more understanding than some MN posters.

@GreenleavesandsunshineI entirely understand our political system. We vote for a party, not a leader. There is nothing wrong per se with having yet another leader, apart from the fact that being on our 7th PM in a decade has been incredibly destabilising for the country. This revolving door of PMs does not seem to be replicated in any other country with a parliamentary democracy, and enough is enough.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 22/06/2026 13:48

He's a back-stabbing weasel. Not someone I want as PM.

Greenleavesandsunshine · 22/06/2026 13:48

@Lyra25please go away and educate yourself on the country you live in and how it is governed. You’re making a tit of yourself.

Greenleavesandsunshine · 22/06/2026 13:47

@midwalker he wasn’t arrogant he was correct. He understands the political system we have in the U.K. - unlike you. On the whole I’m quite glad our potential PM has more understanding than some MN posters.

MrsShawnHatosy · 22/06/2026 13:46

Lyra25 · 22/06/2026 12:35

Why should he be? He’d be an unelected one and on what manifesto?

Like Theresa May, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak you mean?

Greenleavesandsunshine · 22/06/2026 13:45

OP is this a thread to allow you to make every simplistic, ignorant political point you can. Like a competition?
Is he smug? Who cares? Is he intelligent, principled, politically pragmatic- these are the questions that matter.
Yes, he has been elected. We live in a parliamentary democracy, go an look at some of the 1 million other threads where this is discussed.
You want to stop infighting and have more collaboration and your title is an insult to AB for being ‘smug’. Yeah, insulting people the best way to start collaboration.
It would seem you are struggling to put two coherent thoughts together. Do better.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · 22/06/2026 13:45

midwalker · 22/06/2026 13:42

Smug and egotistical. The absolute arrogance of thinking he can just swan in and become leader without a contest. And yet, unfortunately he’s managed it Angry

Yet that happened all the time with Liz, Rishi etc. Don't remember all this drama and cries for a GE.

midwalker · 22/06/2026 13:42

Smug and egotistical. The absolute arrogance of thinking he can just swan in and become leader without a contest. And yet, unfortunately he’s managed it Angry

ExtraOnions · 22/06/2026 13:39

newmenewwhatever · 22/06/2026 12:30

He was our mayor and wasted a phenomenal amount of money on a clean air zone that never happened.
and then decided he didn’t want that job anymore, when something more powerful came along.., he is all about himself and his power.
i would never vote for him to be PM

The Greater Manchester ULEZ zone was mandated by the UK government in 2019

It was a legally binding directive from central government (Tories back then) that covered all 10 GM authorities

Pre-Covid a charging model was designed, which would charge non-compliant vehicles

We then had Covid, and the scheme was paused as the economy had changed

There then followed somewhat of a standoff from goverment, as The Mayoral authority needed to get them to drop the legal directive and support the new cleaner air scheme.

The scheme was then redesigned to a clean air scheme, which had delivers electric buses, integrated public transport, a great ANPR network, and the continued electrification of public vehicles.

The RW media would (of course) have you believe it was Burham’s idea in the first place (it wasn’t) and that the money has been pissed up the wall (it’s not). This was a central goverment directive that the Mayor was obliged to enact.

Whataflippincircus · 22/06/2026 13:38

Jesus fucking Christ! Stop the insults. Smug, not very bright, a scarecrow, give the man a chance FFS.

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/06/2026 13:33

GilesTurnbull · 22/06/2026 13:18

It would it be great if they could find a poc and put them in as leader, even if there’s no-one suitable. Just having a darker skin colour person in charge would placate a lot of people, regardless of their ability.

FFS

Fallbuy · 22/06/2026 13:30

And so it begins….. I give it 18 months before he’s “the most hated prime minister in living memory” and there are demands for the next mug to step up.

ExtraOnions · 22/06/2026 13:26

JoyousOpalLemur · 22/06/2026 13:07

He does seem like someone who thinks it's his god given right to be PM.

He looks like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.

…I love the reasoned political debate we have in this country, the way it’s about policies and integrity, rather than how someone looks…

JimBobsWife · 22/06/2026 13:25

GilesTurnbull · 22/06/2026 13:18

It would it be great if they could find a poc and put them in as leader, even if there’s no-one suitable. Just having a darker skin colour person in charge would placate a lot of people, regardless of their ability.

Are you insane? You don’t care how able they are, as long as they’re not white? In a country with a white majority. Why?

Rishi Sunak wasn’t white, but people still hated him.

GilesTurnbull · 22/06/2026 13:18

AClassicTrenchcoat · 22/06/2026 12:57

He does have a somewhat smug air. It’s always white men that Labour have as their leader. Odd for a party you would imagine would all be for some kind of equality of opportunity.

It would it be great if they could find a poc and put them in as leader, even if there’s no-one suitable. Just having a darker skin colour person in charge would placate a lot of people, regardless of their ability.

luckylavender · 22/06/2026 13:07

Allswellthatendswelll · 22/06/2026 12:32

This has started early. It's hot. Have a day off.

He’s been in public life for a long time. Plenty of time to assess him. He doesn’t get to wipe the slate clean.

JoyousOpalLemur · 22/06/2026 13:07

He does seem like someone who thinks it's his god given right to be PM.

He looks like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.