To think Andy Burnham is smug?

can you try to make a point of you own

I have.

@JoyousOpalLemurAnd he went to Anfield and stood in front of the fans and cried. He could have hidden like every other politician before him and didn’t. I have some big issues with AB on policy but what he did for the Hillsborough families was very brave.

Regardless of whether we individually disagree on the process, the voting public will eventually have their say. I just honestly can't see it going down well. People feel deceived. Used. Manipulated.

@Clavinova can you try to make a point of you own and not just cut and paste please? You’ll never get your A Level if you just plagiarise. Does AI help these days? I remember your frantic cut and paste arguments from Brexit.

He isn't even there yet. Though he and his cronies obviously thinks he is. I reckon he has a big shock coming at the next general election. Makerfield is not the whole country

Wow - he called for justice for victims of a disaster. So brave!

And he only did that AFTER Liverpool fans booed him for not doing anything for the victims of that disaster.

Oh, this is fun, looking back at what Labour politicians said in 2022 - Keir Starmer, October 2022 when Liz Truss resigned;

“The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people,” he said. “They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.

Will it be a Labour fiefdom or a Labour serfdom?

Good shadow cabinet ministers work hard to understand their brief. They will have intimate knowledge of the workings of Westminster and preparing for government. Well, a good shadow cabinet minister would do all those things, there's no guarantee of course.

@Clavinova did you want a GE last week? Probably.
AB may well call a snap election, he’s an idiot if he does but stranger things have happened.

@BlueMinded Nope, nothing off. We have a system, he made a plan and executed it. That’s what good politicians do. I can’t see why you find this surprising or extraordinary. We have a parliamentary democracy, there are rules and systems to remove a PM. AB utilised these rules, no force, no illegality, no money changed hands. We all know what was done and how it was done.
You don’t agree with it and that’s fine, you believe it should have been done in a different way that’s fine. But you can’t tell me one thing that wasn’t clear and above board - it was transparent. Tell me what rules were broken to make it ‘off’.

Shadow cabinet is a talking shop with no responsibility. If you are saying that is worth more than being a minister and a mayor then you are really just on the wind up

Blair was in the shadow cabinet for 9 years and spent many years planning the New Labour movement. He was extremely well prepared when he came into government.

Starmer is just not worth comparing. He has never had political instincts, many thousands of words have been written on the subject to date.

What I can't get my head round is Burnham failed to win people over twice in leadership contests a decade ago hence buggering off to Manchester. Yet suddenly, he's the best we've got. Really? I'm tempted to think we're just at a really low point in the calibre of our politicians.

He said there should be a GE not why

Burnham specifically retweeted and replied to this tweet;

Worth noting only 0.3% of the UK electorate will decide the next PM...

He didn't post a stand-alone tweet.

The same way you probably wanted a GE last week

Different circumstances last week - Starmer had not resigned - whereas Johnson had already resigned when Burnham tweeted in July 2022.

Longer than most ministers seem to last in any role in the cabinet in recent times!

You don't think there was anything " off" about he got into this position, because on paper he followed the rules? An mp gave up his seat to force the by election lest we forget. Why? He just didn't fancy the job anymore? Nope. All well orchestrated manoeuvres to pivot Andy into the top job. I don't know how you're not seeing it.

He was the MP who called for justice for the families of those who died in the Hillsborough disaster. He went against the establishment to expose various levels of corruption. I’m happy to give him a chance!

Not sure
but this thread is about Burnham
anyways, I'm educated, I read stuff, I'm interested in politics and not a thicko
people have different opinions and that is OK.
though I do despair of U.K. politics of recent past and future

A bit of smugness goes with the territory of being charismatic, which is what Starmer has just lost his job for not being. So make up your mind, everyone. And YABU, OP. Let's at least give him a nanosecond to show us what he can do in the job before slagging him off.

@BlueMindedHow has he forced anybody? Violence at the by election? Has money changed hands? What was dirty or underhand! All rules were followed, it was above board. I know which cabinet ministers spoke to Starmer and who didn’t. He made his intentions very clear in several interviews throughout his campaign and as far back as the Labour Party conference. He has done absolutely nothing unconstitutional.
What you appear to be objecting to is parliamentary democracy.

No. I’m also in Manchester. He didn’t come up with CAZ: the Tories did. He got us a load of extra money during Covid too. And I’m a Starmer supporter.

It's because of the rain in Manchester. The people there naturally adapt to the semi-aquatic environment.
Have you read the Shadow over Innsmouth by Lovecraft? Apparently (according to brave travellers Ive spoken to) The North-West is basically like that...

He'll probably be as helpless as Starmer. We can't stop the boats, what can we do?

Here's a thing:

Er, have a ship ready with a meal deal for each person that shouldn't have arrived, then take them back to France.

Those waiting in Calais will get wind of it and stop trying to come here.

Burnham will secure his PMship for the next decade whether he's smug or not.

My feelings exactly

Fair play, you've put more effort into dismantling that joke than most governments put into dismantling the North.

But he's not just any old MP is he now? He's just forced his way into the most important position in the country through dirty, underhand tactics. That's what I object to. What a pile of shite we were told Labour were the grown ups, country over party yada yada. When they've proven they're just as bad as the Tories. Great.