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Anyone else in the South East worried about Andy Burnham bringing in a land tax?

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Beachbooks · 22/06/2026 12:17

With it looking likely that Andy Burnhan will be the next PM, I was interested to see if anyone else in London / the south east were worried about potential tax raises specifically around the land tax rather than stamp duty ?

A lot of my friends who live locally are worrying that he will make the land tax for the South East so high in proportion to other areas of the UK that it will be financially very difficult to afford but then also extremely difficult to sell!!

BTW we have very standard house and garden but we live in an expensive area

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nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:30

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:21

I live in a fairly expensive area anyway, @nearlylovemyusername

If people leave London in significant numbers it will be a good thing overall. They will create opportunities. We will cope with the consequences for house prices as a rising tide lifts all boats.

Claiming that nurses, teachers, MPs need to live in Westminster, presumably because they work there, was not realistic. Everyone who knows any reasonable number of Londoners knows a good proportion who commute.

Those with disabilities do sadly face extra challenges everywhere but at least there are some supports for them. Not enough, but some.

So thanks for your heartfelt concern but I sm fine and happy to risk an exodus of Londoners to boot

If people leave London in significant numbers it will be a good thing overall. They will create opportunities.

😂😂😂gosh, it's exactly the same point as with private schools VAT. Are you basically saying that you are uncapable of creating opportunities and need Londoners to do it for you?

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:27

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:23

This was said to be a risk in Makerfield, but it did not materialise

Makerfield was quite different though - read about his campaign, he knocked on almost every door of undecided voters and used his charm. He promised everyone what they wanted. And don't forget about the split of the right.
To win GE he needs to introduce policies actually generating some growth.

ThePieceHall · 22/06/2026 21:25

ARingtoit · 22/06/2026 21:18

It is absolutely terrifying to have a prime minister from above Watford Gap. Better turn on captions for Prime Ministers Questions too :S

Yes, and Larry the Cat, had better beware when Andy and his entourage rock up with their whippets.

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:23

aquashiv · 22/06/2026 21:22

No, but I'm genuinely terrified about how is setting the stage for reform and the potential chaos that will follow.

This was said to be a risk in Makerfield, but it did not materialise

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:22

BIossomtoes · 22/06/2026 21:18

Nobody has to live in Westminster. Other commutable parts of London and the commuter belt are available.

Thank you!

aquashiv · 22/06/2026 21:22

No, but I'm genuinely terrified about how is setting the stage for reform and the potential chaos that will follow.

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:21

I live in a fairly expensive area anyway, @nearlylovemyusername

If people leave London in significant numbers it will be a good thing overall. They will create opportunities. We will cope with the consequences for house prices as a rising tide lifts all boats.

Claiming that nurses, teachers, MPs need to live in Westminster, presumably because they work there, was not realistic. Everyone who knows any reasonable number of Londoners knows a good proportion who commute.

Those with disabilities do sadly face extra challenges everywhere but at least there are some supports for them. Not enough, but some.

So thanks for your heartfelt concern but I sm fine and happy to risk an exodus of Londoners to boot

BIossomtoes · 22/06/2026 21:18

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:06

Maybe because some people have to live in Westminster? you know, your teachers, nurses, MPs?

Just think about the law of unintended consequences - what if those who are unable to afford property in London anymore but still have London level of savings move to your areas? you know what it's going to do to your house prices, right?

Again, as always with Labour, it's all about "who else we can tax to pay benefits to others". It's all about redistribution, nothing about wealth creation.

Nobody has to live in Westminster. Other commutable parts of London and the commuter belt are available.

ARingtoit · 22/06/2026 21:18

It is absolutely terrifying to have a prime minister from above Watford Gap. Better turn on captions for Prime Ministers Questions too :S

PrincessOfPreschool · 22/06/2026 21:13

Anyone in other countries already trying to scupper the guy before he's even been made PM?!

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:11

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:09

No able bodied person needs to live in Westminster. Most MPs do not. London has some of the best public transport in the world.

are you ok? you decided who needs to live where?

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:10

MrsPapillon · 22/06/2026 21:02

So you’re saying this £6.7M 4 bed in Belgravia, should be paying a similar amount as the 22 times cheaper house in Blackpool? Really? Multimillionaires should pay the same as a warehouseman or taxi driver?

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/172581869

But they won't be - RR took care of this with her mansion tax. What we're talking about is land value tax which will disproportionally affect the ordinary folk in London and SE

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:09

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:06

Maybe because some people have to live in Westminster? you know, your teachers, nurses, MPs?

Just think about the law of unintended consequences - what if those who are unable to afford property in London anymore but still have London level of savings move to your areas? you know what it's going to do to your house prices, right?

Again, as always with Labour, it's all about "who else we can tax to pay benefits to others". It's all about redistribution, nothing about wealth creation.

No able bodied person needs to live in Westminster. Most MPs do not. London has some of the best public transport in the world.

Jackiepumpkinhead · 22/06/2026 21:08

Seagulldancing · 22/06/2026 12:32

I have California based relatives and I like their land tax system. Its based on the sale price of your house when you bought it. So a house bought in 1970 has a low tax compared to a recent sale i a rising market. Much better than random bands or land prices.

How is that a good thing?

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 21:06

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:00

Land value or property tax is a percentage of value. Value reflects desirability and these prices reflect that living in Westminster is extremely desirable, whereas Blackpool is the most deprived LA in England.

The first property is worth 50% more than the second, reflecting its much greater desirability. Why shouldn’t the owner be paying roughly 50% more in CT?

For perspective, when I lived in a lovely US university town with superb services, we paid roughly 2.25% the values of our houses each year in property tax. But we got a great quality of life in return.

Maybe because some people have to live in Westminster? you know, your teachers, nurses, MPs?

Just think about the law of unintended consequences - what if those who are unable to afford property in London anymore but still have London level of savings move to your areas? you know what it's going to do to your house prices, right?

Again, as always with Labour, it's all about "who else we can tax to pay benefits to others". It's all about redistribution, nothing about wealth creation.

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:06

LiuBei · 22/06/2026 21:03

This is a terrible policy! It just transfers money from the young, to the old. This is despite the fact that old people are much wealthier!

Mostly agree. My understanding is that there was a small amount of genuine hardship for the elderly. That could have been mitigated less drastically. When I lived in America and have followed the story since moving here, California has suffered badly from Prop 13.

LiuBei · 22/06/2026 21:03

Seagulldancing · 22/06/2026 12:32

I have California based relatives and I like their land tax system. Its based on the sale price of your house when you bought it. So a house bought in 1970 has a low tax compared to a recent sale i a rising market. Much better than random bands or land prices.

This is a terrible policy! It just transfers money from the young, to the old. This is despite the fact that old people are much wealthier!

MrsPapillon · 22/06/2026 21:02

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 20:51

Didn't do any extensive googling, just the 1st link:

Wilkie House, Cureton Street, Westminster, London SW1P, 1 bed flat for sale, £450,000 - Zoopla

1 bed flat, band C, council tax will be £931. This is 433sqft one bed flat for 450k! with only 80 years lease remaining.

Then Blackpool:

Warley Road, Blackpool FY1, 5 bed semi-detached house for sale, £299,950 - Zoopla

5 bed, 2 bath, 3 reception room - freehold 300k. Council tax band D £2513.

Are you serious about asking the owner of the first property to pay more?

So you’re saying this £6.7M 4 bed in Belgravia, should be paying a similar amount as the 22 times cheaper house in Blackpool? Really? Multimillionaires should pay the same as a warehouseman or taxi driver?

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/172581869

poetryandwine · 22/06/2026 21:00

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 20:51

Didn't do any extensive googling, just the 1st link:

Wilkie House, Cureton Street, Westminster, London SW1P, 1 bed flat for sale, £450,000 - Zoopla

1 bed flat, band C, council tax will be £931. This is 433sqft one bed flat for 450k! with only 80 years lease remaining.

Then Blackpool:

Warley Road, Blackpool FY1, 5 bed semi-detached house for sale, £299,950 - Zoopla

5 bed, 2 bath, 3 reception room - freehold 300k. Council tax band D £2513.

Are you serious about asking the owner of the first property to pay more?

Land value or property tax is a percentage of value. Value reflects desirability and these prices reflect that living in Westminster is extremely desirable, whereas Blackpool is the most deprived LA in England.

The first property is worth 50% more than the second, reflecting its much greater desirability. Why shouldn’t the owner be paying roughly 50% more in CT?

For perspective, when I lived in a lovely US university town with superb services, we paid roughly 2.25% the values of our houses each year in property tax. But we got a great quality of life in return.

AlpineMuesli · 22/06/2026 20:58

I thought the low council tax was because it’s a high density population, with a lot of parking charges and traffic fines that bolster the finances?

Yes just googled and Westminster generates 8% of UK business rates. So I’m sure the local businesses would love that to be lowered when the money isn’t needed anymore. Same for lowering the parking costs etc.

If this new policy does come down the pipeline, I can’t imagine anyone buying until it’s done. Who would want to complete and 6 months later find out they paid stamp duty for nothing?

hairbearbunches · 22/06/2026 20:57

I just googled…

and a house worth £27 million has a council tax of £2095.

might be serious about asking these dudes to cough up a bit more, don’t you think?

Check out this 9 bedroom terraced house for sale on Rightmove

9 bedroom terraced house for sale in Mansfield Street, Marylebone, London, W1G for £27,500,000. Marketed by Russell Simpson, Mayfair

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/173470178

nearlylovemyusername · 22/06/2026 20:51

5128gap · 22/06/2026 20:20

You just need to Google council tax bands Westminster to find out exactly what is charged. It ranges from £1050 in band D to £2100 in band H.
In Blackpool (the most deprived LA in the UK) for comparison band D is £1675, band H £5026.
Westminster has one of the lowest CT charges in the UK.

Didn't do any extensive googling, just the 1st link:

Wilkie House, Cureton Street, Westminster, London SW1P, 1 bed flat for sale, £450,000 - Zoopla

1 bed flat, band C, council tax will be £931. This is 433sqft one bed flat for 450k! with only 80 years lease remaining.

Then Blackpool:

Warley Road, Blackpool FY1, 5 bed semi-detached house for sale, £299,950 - Zoopla

5 bed, 2 bath, 3 reception room - freehold 300k. Council tax band D £2513.

Are you serious about asking the owner of the first property to pay more?

MrsPapillon · 22/06/2026 20:43

deedee176 · 22/06/2026 20:15

How hilarious and conveniently naive of you. London subsidises the entire county. I pay more than that in CT

London is responsible for 25% of tax revenue. That means that 75% comes from outside London. It’s not like Sandra working for NMW in Tesco Express on Shoreditch High St is singly responsible for enriching the lives of us northern peasants.

London makes so much money because it’s bigger and so many banks, financial services, big tech etc have their head offices there, not because you’re all working harder. GDP per capita is £69,000 in London vs. £65,000 in Manchester.

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 22/06/2026 20:41

I own two properties so if this came in, I would be paying higher tax on the second.

Good. I should be. The affluent should be paying more tax.

deedee176 · 22/06/2026 20:38

HumberSquid · 22/06/2026 20:18

And one of the reasons for this is that investment in London has been prioritised over the rest of the country for many, many years.

Is this a genuine response? Where does the investment come from? Who pays the most taxes? London is the capital city…