Page 3 | Anyone else in the South East worried about Andy Burnham bringing in a land tax?

Beachbooks · 2026-06-22T11:17:29+00:00

With it looking likely that Andy Burnhan will be the next PM, I was interested to see if anyone else in London / the south east were worried about potential tax raises specifically around the land tax rather than stamp duty ? A lot of my friends who live locally are worrying that he will make the land tax for the South East so high in proportion to other areas of the UK that it will be financially very difficult to afford but then also extremely difficult to sell!! BTW we have very standard house and garden but we live in an expensive area

KeepPumping · 04/07/2026 13:52

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 02/07/2026 20:01

That’s a bad attitude really if renters feel that way
Both should care about their environment. Both benefit from the services and should invest in it

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The landlord owns the property, they have a vested interest in the area being well maintained because it is the difference between having a tenant or an empty flat? How market rent is set is separate, it is mainly based on wages and demand, trying to offset tax on to the tenant will just get many landlords into difficulty with endless voids, the market rent is the market rent, landlords without mortgage costs will just undercut prices to get tenants.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 02/07/2026 20:01

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:47

Not really, if you own a property you should be more invested in basic infrastructure etc. remaining at a high standard, a renter just moves if the area becomes shit?

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That’s a bad attitude really if renters feel that way
Both should care about their environment. Both benefit from the services and should invest in it

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 02/07/2026 20:00

suburburban · 02/07/2026 17:24

I think renters should still pay something as well, they use the services

Agree

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 02/07/2026 19:59

suburburban · 02/07/2026 18:40

True but what about council or social housing tenants?

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UC top ups for housing
Raising councils bills again

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 02/07/2026 19:57

PatchworkDog · 02/07/2026 17:07

I would save 1000 a year according to this, thanks for sharing, signed the petition

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That calculator is based on 2019/20

nevertheless
It said my saving was £800 but based on an old council tax
Ill still get a saving but nearer £1000
however
it’s not all about me
This will ruin people’s lives and I stand with an actual fairer system
For once
our Government need to find one

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 18:44

suburburban · 02/07/2026 18:40

True but what about council or social housing tenants?

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Who knows?

suburburban · 02/07/2026 18:40

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 18:38

You can bet that landlords will find a way to incorporate it into rent.

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True but what about council or social housing tenants?

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 18:38

suburburban · 02/07/2026 17:24

I think renters should still pay something as well, they use the services

You can bet that landlords will find a way to incorporate it into rent.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2026 17:46

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 15:10

PS @nearlylovemyusername the disparities PP are complaining about mainly are based on differences in location. They say, in essence, ‘Why should a three bedroom semi in London be taxed at many timeshe rate of a three bedroom semi in Huddersfield?’

Smith, Churchill and Friedman all supported a tax on the value of unimproved land. The land beneath the London semi is much more valuable than the land beneath the Huddersfield semi. All three of these men believed that, accordingly, the London property should attract a proportionally higher LVT.

The so-called principle that it is unfair for someone in London to pay greater tax (by whatever name) on a three bedroom semi than someone in Huddersfield pays on the identical house on the identical plot would get no sympathy from Margaret Thatcher’s very conservative economic guru!

I do see that for those who live in flats, their share of land value is relatively small and the improved value (the flat itself) is a greater portion of what they own. (I believe the person you originally wrote about is in this position). For them there is a bigger difference between LVT and property tax. Again, we need to wait on the details of any policy.

FWIW, when I lived in America each of our assessments assessed the value of the plot and the value of the house separately. The value of the plot is what drove house prices up.

The US has a property tax system that feeds into local services. Ie schools are better due.

On waiting for the details it hasn’t actually been announced as a policy.

suburburban · 02/07/2026 17:24

I think renters should still pay something as well, they use the services

suburburban · 02/07/2026 17:19

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:47

Not really, if you own a property you should be more invested in basic infrastructure etc. remaining at a high standard, a renter just moves if the area becomes shit?

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Which most people would do, I meant it’s got to be for everyone including landowners and the politicians

Settlersa · 02/07/2026 17:10

I would save £600 and I have a big garden so thought I would pay more

PatchworkDog · 02/07/2026 17:07

AlpineMuesli · 22/06/2026 13:33

You can do a calculator to find out the proposed amount you'd pay (or not pay if you rent).

https://fairershare.org.uk/counciltaxcalculator/

I would save 1000 a year according to this, thanks for sharing, signed the petition

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:47

suburburban · 02/07/2026 16:35

So again totally unfair

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Not really, if you own a property you should be more invested in basic infrastructure etc. remaining at a high standard, a renter just moves if the area becomes shit?

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:46

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 16:30

It will affect both those groups and people who still have a mortgage. Essentially everyone whose name is on the Land Registry.

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So developers and landowners will pay a lot more than someone who bought a bungalow in the 70"s for 2 grand?

suburburban · 02/07/2026 16:35

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:28

Exactly, this goes after people who paid their mortgage off years ago, not developers/landowners.

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So again totally unfair

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 16:30

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:28

Exactly, this goes after people who paid their mortgage off years ago, not developers/landowners.

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It will affect both those groups and people who still have a mortgage. Essentially everyone whose name is on the Land Registry.

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 16:28

nearlylovemyusername · 02/07/2026 14:20

Land Value Tax - there are a lot of benefits to it if applied wisely.

The proposal being discussed is not a LVT though, it's a property value tax.

Two very different things.

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Exactly, this goes after people who paid their mortgage off years ago, not developers/landowners.

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 15:10

PS @nearlylovemyusername the disparities PP are complaining about mainly are based on differences in location. They say, in essence, ‘Why should a three bedroom semi in London be taxed at many timeshe rate of a three bedroom semi in Huddersfield?’

Smith, Churchill and Friedman all supported a tax on the value of unimproved land. The land beneath the London semi is much more valuable than the land beneath the Huddersfield semi. All three of these men believed that, accordingly, the London property should attract a proportionally higher LVT.

The so-called principle that it is unfair for someone in London to pay greater tax (by whatever name) on a three bedroom semi than someone in Huddersfield pays on the identical house on the identical plot would get no sympathy from Margaret Thatcher’s very conservative economic guru!

I do see that for those who live in flats, their share of land value is relatively small and the improved value (the flat itself) is a greater portion of what they own. (I believe the person you originally wrote about is in this position). For them there is a bigger difference between LVT and property tax. Again, we need to wait on the details of any policy.

FWIW, when I lived in America each of our assessments assessed the value of the plot and the value of the house separately. The value of the plot is what drove house prices up.

CurlewKate · 02/07/2026 14:26

KeepPumping · 02/07/2026 12:33

Person on GB news just now saying that Manchester is just propaganda, he has got a few shiny new buildings up that"s all, Manchester it in no way an "economic powerhouse". They also mentioned how QE and "money printing" became the new wealth creator, when it used to be industry manufacturing and innovation.

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Unlikely that GB News is going to be positive-or even neutral- about AB…

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 14:24

We need to wait for the details.

nearlylovemyusername · 02/07/2026 14:20

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 13:45

Those who are characterising LVT as an unfair left wing idea may be interested to know that its historical advocates include

Adam Smith, the father of Economics
(in The Wealth of Nations)

Winston Churchill

Margaret Thatcher’s economic guru, the
American supply side economist
Milton Friedman

This comes via the OP in a thread started by @MikeRafone in the News forum on 19/06 and verified by me.

Interesting, no?

Land Value Tax - there are a lot of benefits to it if applied wisely.

The proposal being discussed is not a LVT though, it's a property value tax.

Two very different things.

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 13:54

Persephonia1966 · 02/07/2026 13:49

Milton Friedman that well known communist sympathiser!

Ha ha! The de facto head of what was then the most right wing major School of Economics in America, giving its name to a movement ( The Chicago School).

Persephonia1966 · 02/07/2026 13:49

Milton Friedman that well known communist sympathiser!

poetryandwine · 02/07/2026 13:45

Those who are characterising LVT as an unfair left wing idea may be interested to know that its historical advocates include

Adam Smith, the father of Economics
(in The Wealth of Nations)

Winston Churchill

Margaret Thatcher’s economic guru, the
American supply side economist
Milton Friedman

This comes via the OP in a thread started by @MikeRafone in the News forum on 19/06 and verified by me.

Interesting, no?