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Anyone else in the South East worried about Andy Burnham bringing in a land tax?

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Beachbooks · 22/06/2026 12:17

With it looking likely that Andy Burnhan will be the next PM, I was interested to see if anyone else in London / the south east were worried about potential tax raises specifically around the land tax rather than stamp duty ?

A lot of my friends who live locally are worrying that he will make the land tax for the South East so high in proportion to other areas of the UK that it will be financially very difficult to afford but then also extremely difficult to sell!!

BTW we have very standard house and garden but we live in an expensive area

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poetryandwine · 30/06/2026 09:22

nearlylovemyusername · 30/06/2026 09:21

are you still in US? in NY in particular?

No

nearlylovemyusername · 30/06/2026 09:21

poetryandwine · 30/06/2026 09:07

Still all sadly vague.

I lived in America for 15 years and know a bit about LVT in NY, for example. Do tell us more about why it is bad, because somehow I missed that bit.

are you still in US? in NY in particular?

poetryandwine · 30/06/2026 09:18

EasternStandard · 30/06/2026 07:33

There has been more than that read back. I think you’re blanking info as you did for well respected supply side economists.

Nah. And there really aren’t many well respected supply side economists any more. AI informs me that in recent surveys only about 1% ( that is not a typo) of economists believed in supply side economics, including the infamous Laffer Curve. 55-65% believe in incentivisation to some degree, and the rest do not.

poetryandwine · 30/06/2026 09:07

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 30/06/2026 00:50

Well
Ill look at policies and determine whether they are right ( imo and with stats in mind ) for the country and fair

Labours Willy one was pathetic
Labours support of Israel is misguided and quite frankly horrific
Burnhams IHT one to replace paying for care is a good one
Labours tax on education is vindictive
Burnhams LVT one as it currently stands is equally misguided and vindictive

It’ll get him votes because most people in this country can’t see past their own lives and
we saw that with the education tax and what a balls up that has been.

There are, as I said, many pages of stats. Examples given here of other countries have been debunked. Someone mentioned New York… debunked and irrelevant
Someone mentioned a Scandinavian policy ….debunked and irrelevant
The numbers to be affected and the areas and property types including our heritage assets have been posted on here.

You don’t have to agree with anything but the facts are out there
and the policy stinks

Edited

Still all sadly vague.

I lived in America for 15 years and know a bit about LVT in NY, for example. Do tell us more about why it is bad, because somehow I missed that bit.

EasternStandard · 30/06/2026 07:33

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 23:22

Only particular posters. A large number on the thread simply object to factors such as change or the end of a particularly good deal for some. Or they don’t like LVT, or Labour, or AB. Or the idea of paying more tax.

None of this is equal to a reason why LVT is a bad idea.

There has been more than that read back. I think you’re blanking info as you did for well respected supply side economists.

LondonRidge · 30/06/2026 06:29

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 30/06/2026 00:59

Hopefully Labour too
because I’m sick of this race to the bottom

I agree. I’m done with them and Burnham is just going to make things worse with a bunch of ideologically driven, economic illiterates… because that’s all Labour have left.

ETA: I’m still glad I voted LD last time in order to back a change of govt (Labour won’t win where we are). I think that Labour needed a dose of reality for a while rather than being the smug back seat drivers when conservatives were in power. But they had 14 years to prepare for government and have been woeful, I’ve lost faith and AB is just going to worsen division.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 30/06/2026 01:22

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:34

I wonder if this poster is a member of some online campaign by Labour
kind of "don't worry, be happy, everything's gonna be fine"

Well we’ve had no facts or stats to back it up
Just a lot of thinking it’ll be OK 😵‍💫

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 30/06/2026 00:59

EasternStandard · 29/06/2026 22:43

You’re not alone, sadly. Hence Starmer is out.

Hopefully Labour too
because I’m sick of this race to the bottom

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 30/06/2026 00:50

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 23:22

Only particular posters. A large number on the thread simply object to factors such as change or the end of a particularly good deal for some. Or they don’t like LVT, or Labour, or AB. Or the idea of paying more tax.

None of this is equal to a reason why LVT is a bad idea.

Well
Ill look at policies and determine whether they are right ( imo and with stats in mind ) for the country and fair

Labours Willy one was pathetic
Labours support of Israel is misguided and quite frankly horrific
Burnhams IHT one to replace paying for care is a good one
Labours tax on education is vindictive
Burnhams LVT one as it currently stands is equally misguided and vindictive

It’ll get him votes because most people in this country can’t see past their own lives and
we saw that with the education tax and what a balls up that has been.

There are, as I said, many pages of stats. Examples given here of other countries have been debunked. Someone mentioned New York… debunked and irrelevant
Someone mentioned a Scandinavian policy ….debunked and irrelevant
The numbers to be affected and the areas and property types including our heritage assets have been posted on here.

You don’t have to agree with anything but the facts are out there
and the policy stinks

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 23:29

NorthXNorthWest · 29/06/2026 21:46

You don't have to agree in a debate, but you do have to engage.

From the outset, you largely sidestepped the points I raised while expecting me to answer your questions. That's not what I consider a good-faith or productive debate. Not sure what your agenda is but I would put money on it not being:
I would still like to know what substantive aspect of LVT you think is unfair.

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Do show me where I have sidestepped your points please. All I have done is refused to explain the Laffer Curve for others - but you have not done so either.

Please provide a list of other points that have not been engaged and by all means don’t let me stop you explaining the Laffer Curve.

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 23:24

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:34

I wonder if this poster is a member of some online campaign by Labour
kind of "don't worry, be happy, everything's gonna be fine"

This poster is keenly aware that the Conservatives had 14 years to do better, and failed.

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 23:22

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 29/06/2026 21:33

28 pages just on this thread
Many loaded with facts and
calcs
and you’re still asking ?

Only particular posters. A large number on the thread simply object to factors such as change or the end of a particularly good deal for some. Or they don’t like LVT, or Labour, or AB. Or the idea of paying more tax.

None of this is equal to a reason why LVT is a bad idea.

LondonRidge · 29/06/2026 22:52

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:36

Hung parliament. Ideally with Tory being the largest party, but I could do with no majority and no coalition.

I have always been a floating voter, and have voted a combination of LD and conservative over the years (LD for the past ten)… Labour never stand a chance in our constituency so it’s a wasted vote.. hence I voted LD in recent elections.

I will be voting conservative at the next election. All the older generation warned us that within a couple of years Labour would find a way to whack up taxes, increase benefits and worsen public services… and they were right.

EasternStandard · 29/06/2026 22:43

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:32

one of the funniest (and most stupid) things I read this months.

Do you want the list how much Labour screwed me in the last two years? pretty much destroyed everything I've been working for in the last 15 years.

You’re not alone, sadly. Hence Starmer is out.

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:36

KeepPumping · 29/06/2026 18:54

Can"t really see another contender, can you?

Hung parliament. Ideally with Tory being the largest party, but I could do with no majority and no coalition.

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:34

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 29/06/2026 21:33

28 pages just on this thread
Many loaded with facts and
calcs
and you’re still asking ?

I wonder if this poster is a member of some online campaign by Labour
kind of "don't worry, be happy, everything's gonna be fine"

nearlylovemyusername · 29/06/2026 22:32

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 17:55

Why not trust that no one is trying to screw you over? Perhaps you will thrive economically if the country finds its financial feet again, and be better off overall. Isn’t that the most important thing?

one of the funniest (and most stupid) things I read this months.

Do you want the list how much Labour screwed me in the last two years? pretty much destroyed everything I've been working for in the last 15 years.

NorthXNorthWest · 29/06/2026 21:46

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 20:27

I would still like to know what substantive aspect of LVT you think is unfair.

You don't have to agree in a debate, but you do have to engage.

From the outset, you largely sidestepped the points I raised while expecting me to answer your questions. That's not what I consider a good-faith or productive debate. Not sure what your agenda is but I would put money on it not being:
I would still like to know what substantive aspect of LVT you think is unfair.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 29/06/2026 21:33

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 20:27

I would still like to know what substantive aspect of LVT you think is unfair.

28 pages just on this thread
Many loaded with facts and
calcs
and you’re still asking ?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 29/06/2026 21:31

KeepPumping · 29/06/2026 18:54

Can"t really see another contender, can you?

I’d need to see how things go up to the GE but I’m favouring the Conservatives atm
Tbh no one’s great

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 20:27

NorthXNorthWest · 29/06/2026 18:44

I don't believe my reply was a personal attack. I simply responded in the tone that you established. It's hard to see why that tone is acceptable one way but becomes a problem when it's directed back.

Each may judge whether I got it.

A tad theatrical, no?

I would still like to know what substantive aspect of LVT you think is unfair.

KeepPumping · 29/06/2026 18:54

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 29/06/2026 17:21

Yes he’s blinkered.
I thoroughly agree but I hope Reform never get it
They'll never get my vote at least

Can"t really see another contender, can you?

NorthXNorthWest · 29/06/2026 18:44

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 16:50

My post above was for @NorthXNorthWest in response to this quote.

I had asked for something substantive in response instead of a personal attack. Each may judge whether I got it.

For the record, I do think a transparent LVT, properly phased in (as I’ve now said four times) that is easy to enforce and hard to dodge, is a pretty good ‘wealth tax based on fairness’ as @NorthXNorthWest seems to find theoretically acceptable.

I don't believe my reply was a personal attack. I simply responded in the tone that you established. It's hard to see why that tone is acceptable one way but becomes a problem when it's directed back.

Each may judge whether I got it.

A tad theatrical, no?

EasternStandard · 29/06/2026 18:23

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 18:18

A phase in period for property taxes, particularly for hardship cases - that transition. Would you prefer to do without this and turf those who cannot afford LVT out of their homes?

Hopefully he won’t do it at all. London stays more accessible for people not in finance and other cities becoming more prosperous which pulls down demand here.

Much better for everyone.

poetryandwine · 29/06/2026 18:18

EasternStandard · 29/06/2026 18:14

Hopefully there won’t be a transition and what was said today will be it.

Such a shame posters are so gung go on pricing normal jobs out of London.

A phase in period for property taxes, particularly for hardship cases - that transition. Would you prefer to do without this and turf those who cannot afford LVT out of their homes?

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