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AIBU to feel the media is pushing Starmer out?

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Ihatethistimeline · 22/06/2026 08:08

To feel the media is forcing Starmer out and to be annoyed by this.

They need constant drama and content and this is done at the expense of the country. Starmer is boring but things are improving despite major problems like Iran in the background.

If this were 20 years ago he’d have been safe. They are treating government like football clubs and want Burnham as they think he’s more showbiz. These foreign owner media outlets don’t care about the stability of this country, they just want headlines and drama on X to drum up more drama for headlines and opinion pieces where the media all interview each other.

The country is becoming ungovernable because them and I’m sick of it.

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GasPanic · 22/06/2026 11:34

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:31

So you don’t increase taxes. You cannot increase borrowing. So you need to cut spending. Drastically.

You know Burnham is left wing Labour, right ?

ENGLANDalltheway · 22/06/2026 11:34

They have driven him out with joy. The media love the drama and endless chats about when is he going.

Now he's resigned it's, will it change anything, what do other countries think, changing our leader constantly.

The media love drama yet care nothing anout stability until they create instability.

BlueFahrenheit · 22/06/2026 11:33

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:28

and while I’m at it, if kids are undernourished it’s probably down to feckless parents. Parents are given enough to live off if they spend wisely. They don’t, and so they starve their kids. Giving the feckless more money doesn’t help anyone.

I wish they'd buy good contraceptives.

Oh, wait. Everyone else has to pay for the kids a family chooses to have, knowing very well they couldn't afford them to begin with.

Hoorah!

Whatafustercluck · 22/06/2026 11:32

BlueFahrenheit · 22/06/2026 11:13

Perhaps people need to stop having kids they cannot afford?

Be responsible.

The assumption underlying this is that life circumstances don't change. Poor health, disability, redundancy, divorce, death, all change the playing field. Children can be born into stability only for things to change. I never imagined my second child would be disabled and that it would make it so difficult to work or plan ahead. As it happens, I do work (as does dh) and we get by. But I don't pretend that others are able to do the same.

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:31

GasPanic · 22/06/2026 11:30

I will go back to a statement I have made many times.

You can't tax the rich because it becomes worthwhile to implement strategies to avoid taxation if you are rich.

You can't tax the poor because they have no money.

So the only people you can really tax is the middle. Who also conveniently have a considerable amount of wealth tied up in things that are easy for the government to identify and difficult for them to hide. ie property and private pensions.

However, going after this considerable wealth is not exactly something that is popular with the electorate.

So you don’t increase taxes. You cannot increase borrowing. So you need to cut spending. Drastically.

BlueFahrenheit · 22/06/2026 11:31

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:24

‘Billionaires avoiding tax’? Which billionaires? Chartered Tax Advidor here and you are spouting 100% cliched bollocks. Would you please stop? It’s tiresome and childish, and stops people listening to actual solutions made by people living in the real world, not made up fantasy magic money tree and unicorns land.

Christ! There’s one of these idiots on each and every thread like this. Just have a wee think, if there were any undertaxed billionaires (there aren’t) who would be willing to hang around the UK to be taxed more (they’re not) why didn’t Keir and RR do it???

Yes, it's time we all start growing Money Plants.

Delusional, I know.

😂

GasPanic · 22/06/2026 11:30

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:24

‘Billionaires avoiding tax’? Which billionaires? Chartered Tax Advidor here and you are spouting 100% cliched bollocks. Would you please stop? It’s tiresome and childish, and stops people listening to actual solutions made by people living in the real world, not made up fantasy magic money tree and unicorns land.

Christ! There’s one of these idiots on each and every thread like this. Just have a wee think, if there were any undertaxed billionaires (there aren’t) who would be willing to hang around the UK to be taxed more (they’re not) why didn’t Keir and RR do it???

I will go back to a statement I have made many times.

You can't tax the rich because it becomes worthwhile to implement strategies to avoid taxation if you are rich.

You can't tax the poor because they have no money.

So the only people you can really tax is the middle. Who also conveniently have a considerable amount of wealth tied up in things that are easy for the government to identify and difficult for them to hide. ie property and private pensions.

However, going after this considerable wealth is not exactly something that is popular with the electorate.

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:28

and while I’m at it, if kids are undernourished it’s probably down to feckless parents. Parents are given enough to live off if they spend wisely. They don’t, and so they starve their kids. Giving the feckless more money doesn’t help anyone.

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 11:24

IslandAdventure · 22/06/2026 11:11

Tax the bloody wealthy. Tax wealth more and income less.

Why do we have undernourished children alongside billionaires avoiding tax. It’s bonkers and that is not a civilised society.

‘Billionaires avoiding tax’? Which billionaires? Chartered Tax Advidor here and you are spouting 100% cliched bollocks. Would you please stop? It’s tiresome and childish, and stops people listening to actual solutions made by people living in the real world, not made up fantasy magic money tree and unicorns land.

Christ! There’s one of these idiots on each and every thread like this. Just have a wee think, if there were any undertaxed billionaires (there aren’t) who would be willing to hang around the UK to be taxed more (they’re not) why didn’t Keir and RR do it???

EasternStandard · 22/06/2026 11:22

JoyousOpalLemur · 22/06/2026 11:13

A much better question should be - why didn't the media do any interrogating of Starmer's party before it came to office, and is it going to be exactly the same with Burnham until he becomes unpopular as well?

This was posted two years ago today

Yeh it was the media that helped them in. Starmer was fine with using media clucks from partygate onwards to not do much at all.

It’s come back to bite

letsallchant · 22/06/2026 11:20

Homelanders · 22/06/2026 10:42

What I think is we get one term of reform it's horrible doesn't work. And then we have another labour gov with the promise to rejoin the EU and we do it

It's what happens in those two years I'm worried about. And Reform not abiding by the rules. Nigel takes his cues from his mate Donald and he's already given plenty of hints about not going quietly when his term is up.

I'm hoping that the Reform led councils we now have show clearly what level of integrity and competence we can expect from a Reform government, ie none, and voters absorb that before 2029.

GasPanic · 22/06/2026 11:19

Ihatethistimeline · 22/06/2026 10:59

If Burnham (who I assume will become the next PM) sticks to the manifesto, nothing will change so what’s the point of changing the leader and creating unnecessary instability?

If he gives many of the backbenchers what they want and goes more to the left, he’ll be hounded out by the press in 5 minutes. Increasing welfare or not cutting welfare is the opposite of what the country needs.

In my personal opinion the next PM needs to go big or go home. Do what’s right for the country and not play to the media. Get the best minds in room and come up with a growth strategy and implement it.

There will be loud negative opinions from special interest groups and social media owners but in the long run, the number one thing this country needs is more money flowing. If that means cutting business and personal taxes and less financial services regulation then get it done. Alongside this investment in more 3rd spaces to bring people back together.

The government also needs to come off X and ignore the entertainment media who aren’t interested in policy, just engagement. There are hardly any real political journalists interested in actual policy anymore, they all seem like showbiz correspondents peddling gossip.

"If Burnham (who I assume will become the next PM) sticks to the manifesto, nothing will change so what’s the point of changing the leader and creating unnecessary instability?"

A point I made on another thread. If he sticks to the manifesto then he can't make that many changes - or at least ones that affect the economics. Maybe some ideology ones.

If he does deviate from the manifesto, he will need to go to the country. The more significant the changes, the more pressure will come for him to hold an election.

"If he gives many of the backbenchers what they want and goes more to the left, he’ll be hounded out by the press in 5 minutes. Increasing welfare or not cutting welfare is the opposite of what the country needs."

Matching the requirements of both ideology and economics is very difficult for Labour at the moment. I am not sure where Burnham will fall on the line between realpolitik and ideology. It's a tightrope walk.

"In my personal opinion the next PM needs to go big or go home. Do what’s right for the country and not play to the media. Get the best minds in room and come up with a growth strategy and implement it"

He's probably not even got anything like a significant policy team at the moment, so this is going to take some time.

Remember that the last PM to try radical policy change was Truss, and look how that ended. In fact the most serious damage Truss did IMO was not to damage the economy (rates were heading in that direction anyway and would have got there without her intervention), but the fact that what happened to her has dissuaded any leader from making radical policy change since.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 22/06/2026 11:19

PenelopePinkerton · 22/06/2026 11:08

I am a lifelong Labour supporter but cannot support them while Starmer is leader. He is disingenuous and totally incompetent. Burnham actually makes decisions and has a history of positive change at a regional level which he will hopefully translate to the national level. I can support Labour with Burnham in charge.

You're not a lifelong Labour supporter then, you actually only support them when they're doing exactly what you want.

Part of being in a broad church - like Labour or indeed the Tories - is supporting them even when their leadership doesn't exactly align with what you want.

Homelanders · 22/06/2026 11:18

There shouldn't be a GE since that's not the system we have.

Imseriouslyyouguys · 22/06/2026 11:17

BridgetJonesV2 · 22/06/2026 10:04

Any change of leader should trigger a general election. It's incomprehensible to have a PM that the electorate haven't voted in.

Does that opinion apply to all parties? Look how many unelected prime ministers we had in the last government.

BlueFahrenheit · 22/06/2026 11:13

IslandAdventure · 22/06/2026 11:11

Tax the bloody wealthy. Tax wealth more and income less.

Why do we have undernourished children alongside billionaires avoiding tax. It’s bonkers and that is not a civilised society.

Perhaps people need to stop having kids they cannot afford?

Be responsible.

JoyousOpalLemur · 22/06/2026 11:13

A much better question should be - why didn't the media do any interrogating of Starmer's party before it came to office, and is it going to be exactly the same with Burnham until he becomes unpopular as well?

This was posted two years ago today

AIBU to feel the media is pushing Starmer out?
IslandAdventure · 22/06/2026 11:11

Ihatethistimeline · 22/06/2026 10:59

If Burnham (who I assume will become the next PM) sticks to the manifesto, nothing will change so what’s the point of changing the leader and creating unnecessary instability?

If he gives many of the backbenchers what they want and goes more to the left, he’ll be hounded out by the press in 5 minutes. Increasing welfare or not cutting welfare is the opposite of what the country needs.

In my personal opinion the next PM needs to go big or go home. Do what’s right for the country and not play to the media. Get the best minds in room and come up with a growth strategy and implement it.

There will be loud negative opinions from special interest groups and social media owners but in the long run, the number one thing this country needs is more money flowing. If that means cutting business and personal taxes and less financial services regulation then get it done. Alongside this investment in more 3rd spaces to bring people back together.

The government also needs to come off X and ignore the entertainment media who aren’t interested in policy, just engagement. There are hardly any real political journalists interested in actual policy anymore, they all seem like showbiz correspondents peddling gossip.

Tax the bloody wealthy. Tax wealth more and income less.

Why do we have undernourished children alongside billionaires avoiding tax. It’s bonkers and that is not a civilised society.

IslandAdventure · 22/06/2026 11:08

Ihatethistimeline · 22/06/2026 08:08

To feel the media is forcing Starmer out and to be annoyed by this.

They need constant drama and content and this is done at the expense of the country. Starmer is boring but things are improving despite major problems like Iran in the background.

If this were 20 years ago he’d have been safe. They are treating government like football clubs and want Burnham as they think he’s more showbiz. These foreign owner media outlets don’t care about the stability of this country, they just want headlines and drama on X to drum up more drama for headlines and opinion pieces where the media all interview each other.

The country is becoming ungovernable because them and I’m sick of it.

I agree. I don’t agree with everything he’s done/not done but now more than ever we need a steady ship. I’m sick of being manipulated by the media in this way. It serves nobody except the millionaires that own the news.

PenelopePinkerton · 22/06/2026 11:08

I am a lifelong Labour supporter but cannot support them while Starmer is leader. He is disingenuous and totally incompetent. Burnham actually makes decisions and has a history of positive change at a regional level which he will hopefully translate to the national level. I can support Labour with Burnham in charge.

SpaceRaccoon · 22/06/2026 11:04

PrincessofWills · 22/06/2026 10:38

Gb news is where you get your information from 😂

Not in general, no, but they and the Sun were the only two outlets I could find that covered this particular story. The figures are perfectly correct and taken from official sources, however.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2026 11:02

Numbchill · 22/06/2026 10:50

I think Kemi. Pretty much everything she says is sensible.

People could be even more tired with Labour male leaders by then.

LuckyHazelFox · 22/06/2026 11:01

Ihatethistimeline · 22/06/2026 10:59

If Burnham (who I assume will become the next PM) sticks to the manifesto, nothing will change so what’s the point of changing the leader and creating unnecessary instability?

If he gives many of the backbenchers what they want and goes more to the left, he’ll be hounded out by the press in 5 minutes. Increasing welfare or not cutting welfare is the opposite of what the country needs.

In my personal opinion the next PM needs to go big or go home. Do what’s right for the country and not play to the media. Get the best minds in room and come up with a growth strategy and implement it.

There will be loud negative opinions from special interest groups and social media owners but in the long run, the number one thing this country needs is more money flowing. If that means cutting business and personal taxes and less financial services regulation then get it done. Alongside this investment in more 3rd spaces to bring people back together.

The government also needs to come off X and ignore the entertainment media who aren’t interested in policy, just engagement. There are hardly any real political journalists interested in actual policy anymore, they all seem like showbiz correspondents peddling gossip.

Superb post.

MyrtleLion · 22/06/2026 11:01

In the mid-2000s the journalists were really bored with Labour. Good government is dull. There are no crises, the economy does well (as ours is beginning to pick up), and everyone’s happy. That doesn’t sell newspapers, or in modern parlance, get clicks.

The next few weeks will be a bit of drama, then we’ll have the silly season then the pressure will be on Burnham. Watch him claim every bit of economic good news as his doing and not the result of two years of Starmer and Reeves rebuilding the economy.

Ihatethistimeline · 22/06/2026 10:59

If Burnham (who I assume will become the next PM) sticks to the manifesto, nothing will change so what’s the point of changing the leader and creating unnecessary instability?

If he gives many of the backbenchers what they want and goes more to the left, he’ll be hounded out by the press in 5 minutes. Increasing welfare or not cutting welfare is the opposite of what the country needs.

In my personal opinion the next PM needs to go big or go home. Do what’s right for the country and not play to the media. Get the best minds in room and come up with a growth strategy and implement it.

There will be loud negative opinions from special interest groups and social media owners but in the long run, the number one thing this country needs is more money flowing. If that means cutting business and personal taxes and less financial services regulation then get it done. Alongside this investment in more 3rd spaces to bring people back together.

The government also needs to come off X and ignore the entertainment media who aren’t interested in policy, just engagement. There are hardly any real political journalists interested in actual policy anymore, they all seem like showbiz correspondents peddling gossip.

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