To ask why there are no riots?

There are an estimated 250,000 victims, I believe some have been prosecuted but the majority have not. The girls were let down massively by institutions that were supposed to protect them including the NHS, child services and the police

There’s plenty of evidence from Casey and IICSA and others that authorities across the board failed and in some cases were complicit. I have no difficulty believing that. This is well known and is why I say the ‘bigger claim’ (ie the one that is less evidenced) is that police actively let off perpetrators.

Police have a long history of disregarding women and children who have been victimised and numerous inquiries into children’s social care have shown how little the lives of children were worth to the state. It’s clear and obvious that many victims were ignored, disbelieved and let down.

What is not clear to me is that these authorities let girls down because they were afraid of being seen as racist. I know some have claimed that but come on. I’m a police officer, I joined the force either to help or to have some power and I feel paralysed by the idea that people will think I, an employee of a famously racist organisation, am a racist? Or I’m a social worker, working for a pittance to keep kids safe, and yet I’m afraid to actually do my job?

Isn’t it more likely that the police and social workers who disbelieved, ignored, overlooked and gaslit these girls (and maybe even ‘let the perpetrators off’ for crimes including the murder of a baby) were just careless, incompetent, ignorant or even complicit in the abuse? All of which we have mountains of evidence of.

Because when we're looking at population statistics for specific purposes (such as crime) we have to exclude the number of individuals who are not old enough to commit that crime. For instance, a count of 100 blue people might include 40 children, 100 green people might include 5 children and 100 purple people might include 20 children. The children skew the stats.

We might also want to look at ethnicity and adult crime stats and ethnicity and youth crime stats so we need to know the population statistics for each age group.

Are you saying that report claims known perpetrators were ‘let off’ or that these crimes were reported but not investigated?

Who is telling white girls that they deserved to be raped?

Why would age make a difference if you’re looking at ethnicity?

Of course I don't riot.
I said I can't beleive the Tommy Robinson and farage brigade didn't get angry and had riots.
Had it been immigrants they would of been out in force.
'Save our kids' bla bla bla.

Why didn't Preston cause the same outrage for them?

You think people should have rioted? You really think it would have been good if people had rioted for Preston? Do you riot?

And age. Perhaps Nomas would like to give it a whirl.

I think I might have misread your question as if you were asking if either of those things happened, but re-reading it it seems you're asking was the poster suggesting one thing or the other thing?

It seems that they just didn't investigate at all or did shitty investigations and closed them or else on some occasions they were shut down by people higher up.

That’s a much bigger claim than........

I actually disagree with completely. I think they are both equally as bad and neither is bigger or smaller or worse than the other. The culture of it was so bad that I believe that if people had a fear of being seen as racist and being afraid to rock the boat that they were getting that idea from somewhere.

I also don't believe the nonsense about them believing they were in relationships with the perpetrators, they would have known they were in highly abusive situations. There's lots of nonsense in it about how the police thought this was consensual even though the girls were 13 etc, right well it's against the law then isn't it seeing as they're underage, and also clearly not consensual in other ways if they weren't blatantly trying to pretend otherwise.

I also don't believe for a second that there wasn't a mountain of evidence that this was going on on such a wide scale and that those who were higher up weren't aware of it.

And do you actually believe there were known perpetrators that were ‘let off’ by the criminal justice system because of fear of being seen as racist?

That’s a much bigger claim than the evidence which has already shown that victims were often not believed, or that shoddy investigations took place because of the belief that victims were in relationships with perpetrators rather than victims of abuse, or that allegations by third parties were ignored and there was a lack of curiosity by authorities because of fear of being seen as racist.

All of which is horrific of course. But to claim that crimes (ETA including the murder of a baby) were reported, investigated, evidence found, perpetrators arrested and then let go at some stage purely because of a fear of being seen as racist is a massive one.

To be accurate on this you would need to factor in multiple defendant homicide cases. Young black men in particular more frequently charged as multiple defendants, whereas white people are less likely to be charged jointly.

No routine govt stats but the CPS has piloted and reported on it. https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/crown-prosecution-service-joint-enterprise-pilot-2023-data-analysis

Incidents aren't stats. You need percentages. This is from gov.uk stats on ethnicity and the CJS 2024

In the latest year, 65% of principal suspects convicted of homicide were from the White ethnic group, followed by 20% from the Black ethnic group and 9% from the Asian ethnic group. For each ethnic group, victims were most often associated with a principal suspect of the same ethnic group (White: 89%, Black: 60%, Asian: 56%).

From the ONS UK population by ethnicity White 81.7, Asian 9, Black 4

So a rough look would be 82% of the population (white) is committing 65% of homicides and 90% of those are against white people. 10% of the population (Asian) is committing 10% of homicides and 56% of those are against Asian people. 4% of the population (black) is committing 20 % of homicides and 60% of those are against black people.

Although the excerpt from gov.uk states that victims were most often associated with a principal suspect of the same ethnic group, the correlation is much stronger in the white ethnic group than either of the two others by quite some margin.

But let me know if I've read this wrong.

That's exactly what the report says.

Probably because, in spite of there being many, many more white men in this country than black/brown/Muslim men, and plenty of those white men are undoubtedly hostile to Islam and frequently quite racist, it's a very rare occurrence for a white man to target and attack black and brown Muslims with a bladed weapon. Proportionally speaking, it's almost unheard of.

Bullshit. What are your stats? Here are some incidents:

The Mold Tesco Machete Attack (January 2015): Zack Davies, a 26-year-old white man obsessed with neo-Nazi ideology, brutally attacked Dr Sarandev Bhambra, a 24-year-old Asian dentist, inside a Tesco supermarket in Mold, North Wales. Davies screamed "white power" and "remember Lee Rigby" while striking Dr Bhambra from behind with a 30cm machete and a claw hammer. Dr Bhambra survived with life-changing injuries, and Davies was sentenced to life in prison for attempted murder. 1, 2, 3]
The Murder of Mohammed Saleem (April 2013): Pavlo Lapshyn, a 25-year-old Ukrainian postgraduate student with extreme white supremacist views, fataly stabbed 82-year-old Mohammed Saleem as the grandfather walked home from evening prayers at a mosque in Small Heath, Birmingham. Lapshyn stabbed the victim three times in the back simply because he was a Muslim. He later went on to plant nail bombs outside three mosques in the West Midlands before being caught. 1, 2, 3]
The Murder of Stephen Lawrence (April 1993): Though just slightly outside the 30-year window, this landmark case remains the most culturally significant racist knife attack in modern British history. Stephen Lawrence, an 18-year-old Black teenager, was stabbed to death by a gang of white youths while waiting for a bus in Eltham, South London. The subsequent Macpherson Report famously concluded that the Metropolitan Police investigation was marred by institutional racism. 1, 2, 3, 4]

You think people should have rioted? You really think it would have been good if people had rioted for Preston? Do you riot?

Are you saying that report claims known perpetrators were ‘let off’ or that these crimes were reported but not investigated?

And a summary/excerpt that a poster kindly posted on that thread is below. Trigger warning….

What's included in this report is fucking harrowing:

• A baby was abused and had cigarettes stubbed out on it while the mother was forced to watch; the baby was then killed.
• Girls were set on fire.
• Girls were sent to “red rooms” to be tortured, some of them killed, some of it livestreamed.
• One girl was raped by a dog while men bet on whether it would vaginally or anally rape her.

• Glass bottles, keys, baseball bats, and other objects were forced inside them, some shattering.
• Girls were gang-raped by dozens of men at a time in “party houses.”
• Girls were whipped, hung upside down, suffocated, and urinated on.
• Girls as young as 5 or 6 were tied up and abused.
• Girls were locked in dog cages.
• Girls were branded with an “M” for Muhammad.Girls were threatened with being killed and fed to pigs.
• Girls were mocked for wearing a crucifix during the rapes.

Thank you. I was going to say similar. White British girls being raped and abused and told outright they deserved it because they were white.

Imagine that headline said anti-Jewish instead of anti-Muslim…

Going back to 1993 for 3 examples kind of proves the point. How far back would you have to look for 3 racially motivated Islamist attacks? Certainly not 1993!