AIBU to challenge the school’s wording about pupils rolling skirts up?

Are you really an ex teacher? I'm not sure what you aren't getting here. I don't condone rule breaking, no. The point is the way to enforce rules is not to be so appallingly sneery about school kids as many are on here. I presume these archaic views are repeated at work/schools and the cummunity in general. If you were a teacher did this critical, judgemental, derogatory approach work?!

I support dress codes. I do not support language like tramps, whores, sweaty ares cheeks or likening school girls to sex mad monkeys. I think I've made that clear?

Surely instead of going on and on about monkeys you might join me in condeming the recent 'sex offenders', 'whores' and 'tramps' comments?!

I don't see a problem with the wording tbh. So many girls roll their skirts up here. It isn't an appropriate look for school and nor is it for a workplace. It very much seems that parents take umbrage with any rules that aren't their own and do not support schools. It is tiring for teachers to try to enforce school rules with any kind of backing from parents. There is nothing empowering about having your underwear on display whilst going to and from and being at school.

'I mean they are dressed like a bunch of tramps'

And another disturbing comments about schoolkids.

Staggering. I hope you are neither a teacher not a parent.

Schoolkids are not dressed like 'whores' nor 'tramps'.

It isn't fine true. It has just been grossly commented on with sneers by some posters on here.

The answer is to discuss welfare and dress codes in a calm measured way. No accusations of being whores, sex offenders or sex mad monkeys. A blameless discussion of standards and rules with added clear instructions that male teachers and boys can shove their 'uncomfortable feelings'up their arse.

The blaming and slurs on this thread are so disturbing. Some by alleged teachers which sadly doesn't surprise me

The answer is tights or trousers to prevent the obsession with arse cheeks and gussets. I've yet to see a secondary school where opaque tights are not policy but apparently there's lots of them according to the 'sweaty arse cheeks' observers..

Question for Gloriia, which I asked upthread and have looked for an answer but couldn't find one, so apols if I've missed it.

Are we talking about the same thing? I asked you if you knew the specific 'fashion' most pps are talking about here, or whether you thought we were talking about girls just hoicking up there skirts a bit? This is crucial, because most people would agree (I think) that the latter is just an eye-rolling issue and doesn't constitute indecency or make everyone else feel uncomfortable (not just boys, Gloriia, as has been explained at length...)

I don't think you clarified this point. I'm asking again because a) I cannot believe you condone this behaviour in a minority of girls and b) no-one is saying wearing a slightly shorter skirt than the regulation one is indecent in any way.

So Gloriia - have you seen the butt-revealing skirts or not?

I mean they are dressed like a bunch of tramps TBF. And it's rightly being called out as inappropriate.

Arse cheeks are out, sometimes it's a bit sweaty. Just the truth.

'What should they have said instead? Stop your daughters from rolling their skirts up and looking like absolute whores?'

'Looking like absolute whores'?! I said we'd gone from bad to worse last night after the sex offenders analogy now this. Fgs.

I really hope some of these posters aren't parents. Maybe bored incels?

School girls never look like 'whores'. They do not expose themselves like sex offenders as another poster disturbingly suggested and they don't bare their 'sweaty arse cheeks' to make the poor men uncomfortable.

Isn't there an online course some of you could access on appropriate language when discussing children?

Yes they do! Please go and watch some nature shows, how do you think copulation in mammals begins? With wine and flowers? I am definitely not misogynistic, I just accept that we have mammal biology and some instincts remain. Humans have breasts to mimic the buttocks, if you weren't aware.

It's likely they've observed the pervy stares men will be giving them. School uniforms have been sexualised for a long time and when skirts show bums in public then its maybe time to rethink the school uniform.

I'm honestly astonished that some posters think it's fine for children to expose their underwear/private parts in public/at school/while walking to school. It makes me sad for the children that this is normalised.

If I could see my female work colleagues pants or arse I would feel very uncomfortable

it’s not ok

its internalised misogyny

Yes you are being unreasonable!

There's a multitude of reasons schools need to display some leadership, including over Uniform policy. If they keep letting standards and rules slide because they daren't say anything, next thing we'll have children turning up in underwear because the teachers are too scared of the pupils. What's the point in having rules about skirt lengths if Teachers turn a blind eye?!

Come on OP, skirts that are rolled up super high are not a good idea. That's obvious. The school aren't going to list the reasons in a letter which some parents like you would no doubt set their lawyers on to, plus the issues are off school grounds - the letter mentions public complaints (which gives me hope the school are tackling the issue in house).

Reasons they need to think twice about rolling skirts up so high unfortunately includes the fact that pervy and creepy men including paedophiles no doubt love sitting in their car on the school run. Uncomfortable to think of but they're getting their own show and may be taking videos for their own private viewing later or even uploading them online for other creeps. If those in authority don't show that they care about pupil's safety then where are we as a society?!

Yes we know many of the teens will roll their eyes and ignore us when they're out of sight, but they still need to know there's authority figures and rules for them. And secretly children and teens like to know there's rules that parents/teachers care about maintaining even if they like breaking them.

Honestly, why would any parent complain about this letter. Just do the right thing and have a conversation with your child.

No they really don’t, this is not nature this is misogyny

So your issue with the thread is solely with the language used by posters @Gloriia ?

Have you reported these posts?

So if we put aside what you say your issue with the thread is (the language), do you have any other point to make?

Where did the letter mention 'men feeling uncomfortable'? I mean, it's not an unreasonable desire: that people not be made uncomfortable by other people (especially but not necessarily of the opposite sex) walking around exposing their privates - would you not feel uncomfortable if teenage boys deliberately walked around near you with their privates on display and forcing you to see them?

People aren't saying "Aw, how sweet - they're acting like monkeys and flashers, bless 'em" - we're horrified that any young woman would actively choose to act in this way, and thus are questioning their motives and their parenting that lead to it.

Even teenagers (or younger children) can commit sex offences, whether they intend to or not - if they decide to send nude/indecent photos of themselves (being underage) to others, that is all it takes. It's all semantics really - like when people try to differentiate between the staggering alcoholic drinking 12-packs of special brew under the railway bridge and the middle-class professional routinely unwinding with several bottles of wine or half a bottle of spirits after a busy day at work.

I also don't know why you're so affronted by 'sweaty arses'. We all have them and they do get sweaty, especially in this kind of weather. There's nothing bad or wrong with them, but they are private parts of the body, and not ones that people want to be directly exposed to. Even in naturist camps, the etiquette is to always take a towel to sit on chairs that other people share - precisely because nobody wants to sit where somebody else's unclothed sweaty arse has been.

You can't just deliberately do something gross and antisocial and then turn it back on to the people who complain about it as though they are the ones being unreasonable.

They're not 'young girls' at secondary school - they're adolescents, and may only be two or three years away from being actual adults.

Aside from the age, what is the actual difference, though? If somebody deliberately goes out in public displaying their private areas to everybody, whether they want to see them or not? They may not get the exact same kind of 'thrill', but they're obviously doing it for a purpose.

These words are only being said because the dress sense is so appalling

Do you not think men/young boys would feel uncomfortable in professional working environment (which is what school is) where they are all dressed smartly and respectfully if there are a bunch of young girls inappropriately dressed?

Flashing is wrong and bad, showing your bare arse cheek like a money is rank.

Dress respectfully and no such comparison will be made?

Uniform policy good. Dressing appropriately good. Saying it's 'so the men don't feel uncomfortable' bad. Likening young girls to monkeys and sex offenders bad. Ditto using appalling sneery language like 'sweaty arse cheeks'.

Surely, surely that's clear by now?

Who cares about a uniform policy and dressing appropriately am I right?

Well then report the posts you are so affronted by

but most of your posts are
not about language but rather… hey, the schools should just chillax and focus on TEACHING

The language is accurate though? These school girls are dressing very inappropriately and are being called out for their inappropriate behaviour. Perhaps they should dress normally, it's not that hard to do!

I want posters to desist using appalling language and descriptions regarding school girls. I thought I'd been abundantly clear yet here we are.

Please don't equate young girls with sex offenders. This thread is going from bad to worse.