AIBU to challenge the school’s wording about pupils rolling skirts up?

And even in a perfect world free of VAWG. It doesn't make revealing clothing appropriate in every situation

In a prefect world where a woman can wear as long or as short a skirt as she wishes, where she can walk through a park in the wee small hours without fear, where she can walk past a building site or asylum seekers on a street corner, or be confident and smile at a stranger without fearing he may take it as a "take me take me" invitation....
But it's not a prefect world.

But as @Gloriia keeps telling us

her issue with the thread is the language employed (fair enough)

and she actually does think a uniform code is sensible but it should be limited to no “high heels” or tripping hazards 🤭 and all the many incompetent teachers that she thinks dominates the industry should instead focus on TEACHING

As it turns out… @Gloriia has confirmed that her daughters entirely conformed to the uniform code throughout their entire time at school and they all “excelled” at school.

oh and she has never actually witnessed any girl wearing the length of skirt many of us have.

So she is coming at the issue from a somewhat… theoretical stance

What I get from this response is -
‘my kid is a little sh** and I can’t parent well so I was constantly reminded of school rules. My lack of respect has rubbed off onto my kids who now do not respect authority nor rules. My child was that disruptive that teachers could barely ascertain their progress because they were either not doing it; not trying hard or absent due to [isolation for behaviour or family term time holiday here]’

This is the type of weather where I’m damn please my daughter don’t have to wear trousers!!

Smart, knee length shorts would be a good option for boys and girls. (Smart as in not denim or jersey or sportswear type.)

Girls used to wear summer dresses. Why did they stop? Advantage of a dress is that you can't roll it at the waist!

This is the type of weather where I’m damn please my daughter don’t have to wear trousers!!

Actually all trousers is a great solution to the issue.

There is nothing wrong with a school having standards for behaviour, uniform etc, expressing those standards clearly, and enforcing them without fear or favour, @CricketIsASport. But I can understand teachers not wanting to be accused of predatory behaviour - 'You can't say that to me, Miss/Sir - you were looking at my bum, you perve!' And I think it is perfectly possible to have uniform standards and enforce them without running that risk.

Apparently everything has to be in hushed tones fill with niceties. People's little darlings shouldn't be called out for their behaviour.

How is it demonising anybody to suggest that there's nothing wrong with picking your nose or wearing very little/nothing in an appropriate place, but that it isn't all about you in public; and everybody's feelings matter and not just yours?

It's the same with people who watch a YouTube video at full volume on a packed bus - it's simply a case of understanding that other people are as important in their own right and are not just scenery to your life. Most people are able to learn this from a very young age.

And if you really believe that most teenagers would get upset by the very concept of somebody talking about a 'sweaty arse' rather than euphemising it with, say, 'a bottom subjected to the natural organic challenges of everyday life', I would seriously wonder how many actual teenagers you had ever met or spoken to.

So when you say upthread that you do agree with a sensible uniform policy at schools - that code would be “no high heels” and no “trip hazards” only? Or anything else?

Wasn't that strict in my day tbh. More a case of the right colour and correct emblem they didn't have this obsession about exact trouser style and the correct colour socks.

It is absolutely batshit now. Even shoe style. Does it matter as long as not high heels and a trip hazard?!

older teens are… would you say that they look “ugly and so cheap” if they had a tattoo?

I don't think schoolkids are allowed tats are they?

If yours have them and rules are they must be covered I'm sure you get them to comply? If not I certainly would not say to have them on show makes them look like tramps/whores/sex offenders/baboons. Would you?

Misogynistic langauge is not ok

Were you also a strict uniform conformist at school like your kids @Gloriia ?

Oh I bet you were relieved…. Children that excelled at school and strict uniform followers throughout their time at school!

Our dc excelled I didn't have anything to bollock them about? I was alway very polite at parent's sessions as you'd expect.

Obviously when faced with issues irl that need sorting I am <checks notes> a 'lion' or polite, assertive and don't suffer fools would be a better description

A better example in your case is if the teen had a tattoo perhaps. You’d call it ugly and cheap

'Things moved on from OP's question to the issue of teenage girls wearing the very revealing skirts which are designed to expose their bottoms'

At least the penny does seem to have slowly dropped as we've moved on from 'sweaty arse cheeks' to 'bottoms' so a bit of progress I suppose.

Now if we can just stop blaming and shaming schoolkids regarding other's 'uncomfy feelings' that will be even better.

I can’t believe how…. Well absolutely impassioned you are on this thread @Gloriia

and yet in RL you were bitterly disappointed with all but the odd schools teacher throughout your children’s education and did… well noting other than “eye rolled”

A lion on mumsnet. A mouse in RL perhaps.

Thankfully you got lucky with uniform abiding daughters so never had to test whether your passion for the issue on this thread translates to RL

'If that same teenager was to stand there in the full classroom picking bogeys out of her nose and wiping them on the carpet'

Just when you think it couldn't get any worse with bizarre analogies and demonising schoolkids!

This with bells on.