AIBU to challenge the school’s wording about pupils rolling skirts up?

This is the problem - they are unaware, I guess, of the semiology of their clothing choices. And that's where parents and other adults need to advise them. We all know that behaviour (in this case, clothing) is communication - we're always being told that in education. So what are the girls communicating here? I'm sure most of them just want to impress their peers - other girls, usually, but they are inevitably very naive.

I honestly don't think they intend to give the signals that others will pick up from their clothing.

Who do they want to attract on the streets?

Do you have any skin in the game here @JHound ? Or are you just sticking up on mumsnet for the rights of schoolgirls generally to wear whatever they like whenever they like?

Actually “humans” to wear whatever they like when they like?

Primates advertising sexual readiness?

I appreciate it's not every teenager but there is no good reason to dress like this.

If the girls in question are pulling up their skirts only on the way home, I wonder if they pull them down before they arrive home?

I echo Turntheswitch's request for a parent with actual experience of their daughter dressing like this - are they happy to show the bare bottoms at home?

I can't imagine they do - surely even the most liberal parent would correct them!

Are they exposed to buttocks? If so then that’s a flashing incident and it should be reported. The gender of the pupils being flashed is irrelevant.

They can police behaviour outside of school if caught. I know lads who got in trouble for messing about in public to transport. This is something else, but definitely still not appropriate.

At school that can be done.
But out of school....what can schools do?
Nothing.

PPs have said it happens at school as well. Definitely not appropriate. Just sanction them and give them detentions.

Who in their right mind wants to walk around the streets and show everyone their bare butt or their pants?

Why are people saying things like "why does the school allow it" when the point is it's frequently going to and from school when the skirts are rolled up - not while at school.
At school they get told to unroll their skirts and wear them properly.
But out in the street before and after school - what can the school do? Nothing.
It would be interesting what teenage girls would be dressed in travelling to and from school if they were required to only change into their uniform when they got to school (like some jobs with uniforms do).

I don’t agree with any wording that hints that any actions aimed at girls are their fault but, equally, I do hope you’re referring to the secondary my daughter is about to start at in September.

The school performs well and is very popular because of that which is why I’m shocked the school allow the girls to roll their skirts up so high. It verges on obscene in some cases and i don’t want my daughter feeling under pressure to do the same thing.

Still head scratching!

Interestingly the two on this thread that have vociferously fought that it’s these girls RIGHT to dress however the HELL they want…..

well! @Gloriia has since said her children never broke any uniform rule

and @JHound is talking entirely theoretically about what she would and wouldn’t do given clarifies no children anyway.

and indeed @GreenSalon doesn’t have daughters.

So… I want to hear someone say

“yeah MY daughter wears one of these ass exposing length skirts and I LOVE it and she’s brilliant and I think it’s fantastic!”

Dress appropriately for school - how hard is that?

Same here. There seem to be so many parents - mothers especially - who angrily defend their teenage daughters' right to flash their pants and bits in public all day; and if anybody says that it isn't a good thing, they become the target of vitriolic complaints.

There's definitely something amiss in being determined to send your DD to school with her private areas on show - and then to accuse the people who say they don't want to see it as somehow being perverts.

I wonder if some of these parents are not quite as suitable and innocent as they would like people to assume. If I were the school, I'd be contacting the parents of the most blatant offenders and asking them if they want to work with us on remedying a clear safeguarding concern, or otherwise whether it should be taken further, with the child's background and home circumstances looked into more closely.

Bare bums and underwear are being exposed, that's what others have seen. And it's not appropriate. Nothing about body shaming, just some bits are private and should be covered. There's a reason we wear clothes and don't frolick around naked like animals.

This is the perfect opportunity to teach boys <and male teachers it seems> that their 'feelings' are their responsibility and they need to develop strategies to cope

Same with boys and men, then, and behaviours driven by toxic masculinity? They're doing nothing wrong and they have the absolute right to act as they do - and women and girls just need to understand that's the way it is and should be, as there's no such thing as respecting and considering other people in society?

I'm a 40 year old hetrosexual woman.

I am utterly fed up of seeing the arse cheeks of teenagers in tiny shorts, skirts, and whatever else.

The school is right, it's common decency to learn how to dress in a way which isn't going to make other people really uncomfy.

It is a bit funny that @Gloriia own kids were hardcore uniform rule followers throughout their education, and their schools never had to contact her re uniform infringement - whereas @Gloriia was probably silently willing them tot do something against the uniform rules 🤭

Yes but let’s say you bought a school skirt

and then your 14 year old dd waltzed by you out the door to school with said school skirt brushing her ass cheeks

and the school called to say that not on keeping with the stipulated school uniform

your response would have been…..?

So despite having zero respect for basically all your kids teachers bar the odd competent one… you didn’t bother to ever raise because your kids excelled.

Does it occur to you that perhaps they were excelling because there was much more than just the “odd” competent teacher?

If our dc were doing badly I'd have soon been in touch with them believe me. Fortunately they excelled but would have done so with a sixth former running the show.

It's a logical extension if they "can wear whatever they like".

You just can't help wondering where simple common sense left the building, can you? A blazer is a garment that is designed to be worn on the top half of the body, and a skirt is a garment that is designed to be worn on the bottom half of the body - with the waist being the obvious middle point.

Why is there so much obstinacy and faux-confusion amongst people seemingly unable to grasp the concept that, if a bottom-half garment doesn't extend any further down than a top-half garment does, there's clearly something very wrong?

If her DC went to school in their underwear, no issue for her. "Empowerment!"

Funnily enough at my DC grammar not every teacher was amazing, but all were competent and some were absolutely outstanding.