AIBU to challenge the school’s wording about pupils rolling skirts up?

I agree. As I said earlier in the thread, something like this would be appropriate from the school and from parents:

“Skirts must be knee length, and no underwear should be visible - this applies to everyone”.

I mean they aren't dressing in the most appropriate manner are they? 😔

If they are dressing like something, it's just us describing how we feel about it.

Do it without the misogyny, sneers and slurs. It's not hard. Well it shouldn't be.

If it’s not called out for what it is, the behaviour continues and becomes normalised. I do not want my very young daughter to think dressing in that way in school (or anywhere really) is acceptable or expected.

In constantly suggesting that these girls should be able to dress how they please and not addressing the bigger issues around hygiene, appropriateness, offensiveness, legality, and endangerment, I’m afraid to say that YOU are actually part of the bigger problem and you are contributing to the ongoing erosion of standards in wider society.

If you think referring to schoolgirls as dressed like 'a bunch of tramps' is 'fairly innocuous langauge' <> and anyone calling it out is a pearl clutcher then you are part of the problem.

The constant faux pearl-clutching at fairly innocuous language is quite plainly the only argument you feel you have here.

I’d have thought you’d have seen that thread title, rolled up your sleeves and dived right in very enthusiastically @Gloriia

This childish sniggering is a bit silly, no?

If 'the teeny shorts' <wtf> thread is full of sickening 'sweaty arses hanging out' observations then I maybe will go and put people right!

'I've now asked Gloriia on two separate occasions how she would explain to her own daughter(s) why they shouldn't behave in this way, but she refuses to answer'

Have you rtft? I've said repeatedly I support a dress code, I've said repeatedly I'd tell dc to adhere to it or accept any penalties <in bold so you can't miss it> but I've said all this can be done without appalling shaming and misogyny.

She’s probably busy being indignant about the teeny shorts thread!

Don't be surprised. I've now asked Gloriia on two separate occasions how she would explain to her own daughter(s) why they shouldn't behave in this way, but she refuses to answer. She's very good at finding things to criticise other posters about, but not quite as good at telling us how she would deal with it.

'Utter horseshit'? Riiight. You've rtft and missed the repeated schoolgirl mockery and slurs, some by actual alleged ex teachers?!

The sneery attitude toward schoolgirls under the guise of 'concern' has been constant and prevalent throughout, certainly not just a few weirdos.

Only challenged by a handful of us but hopefully some have seen the error of their ways.

It's maybe working as we haven't had a 'sweaty arse cheek' for a good while..

When you use language like this, even when the people you are talking about can’t hear you, @CricketIsASport, you normalise the use of misogynistic language, and contribute to a society that is more unpleasant and less safe for women and girls.

If you don’t realise that your language and attitude has a far wider impact than a thread on MN , then that’s part of the problem. If you don’t realise that certain language and attitudes are not reserved only for the girls who you think deserve it, then that’s an even bigger problem.

We aren't directly insulting the girls to their faces. We are just describing what we think the masses of girls who do this resemble.

If they didn't want to be described this way (on a forum they have no knowledge about) perhaps dress appropriately. What about that?

Then that's wrong and the colleges should have and enforce a dress code. My kids were bright so didn't go to these institutions where standards were lacking.

'Certainly, the baboon one is a simile, and a humorous one, indicating exactly why the girls are wearing such short skirts'

Fascinating. Yet a recent poster has announced all those mocking schoolgirls had 'gone now'. Yet here are.

Language for effect: similes, metaphors, hyperbole. Humour.
I can't be bothered to re-read all this rubbish but I think you will find that posters have been using those language techniques. Certainly, the baboon one is a simile, and a humorous one, indicating exactly why the girls are wearing such short skirts.

Not what I asked and you know that.

'Have you managed to come up with one positive/benefit for girls for wearing such tiny skirts?'

The benefit from not telling schoolgirls that they are whores/tramps/baboons depending how they dress has far reaching implications for their self worth, confidence and esteem.

The benefit of imposing a dress code in a professional calm manner without one sniff of blame and perv concerns will be far reaching too and more likely to get compliance. Hope that helps.

'I don't know about "colleges" that allow midriff to show. Then again my children are all grammar school educated where there was a uniform to follow and they followed it.'

Grammar school educated oo get you!

You don't know about colleges. Ok let me enlighten you, the very same schoolkids who some of you are so very alarmed about showing a thigh at school go to sixth firm and wear even less? Male teachers cope, uptight shoppers in town at lunch time cope. Do stop focusing on school skirts, it's not a good look.

I don't know about "colleges" that allow midriff to show. Then again my children are all grammar school educated where there was a uniform to follow and they followed it.

If a teacher said they were "scruffy" for an untucked shirt, that was actioned upon by tucking in the shirt. Not having a hissy fit about the language used.

What's appropriate (still debatable) for a social event with friends isn't the same for what's appropriate in a learning and professional environment where people are dressed appropriately.