To wonder why people jump to calling people who murder other prisoners heros?

I used to work in the justice system and its something that baffles me. People always assume that it will be some Noble hero for a good cause. People really romanticise the prison pecking order.

90% of the time its from an equally horrendous individual over a drug debt, or gang related thing. Lots of awful people are well protected because of their links, lots of others hung out to dry for lesser offences. At best they are killed for notority, usually its over a stolen instant noodle. Its rarely about the offence

When Ian Watkins died, I said on the thread it wouldn't be about something noble and again was proved right when it was someone who killed their pregnant wife and he was killed over a drug debt.

There's always references on thread of someone's dh or df who is a prison guard and would leave doors unlocked or turn a blind eye. Those prison officers are always corrupt and it turns my stomach that some random bloke thinks they get to be the decider of who gets beaten up, who gets killed etc. Again ive seen officers take grudges due to racism, who gave them a funny look or simply because they are on a power trip. Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law.

Because they're thick as mince.

So by your own note in brackets you are basically saying ‘bad person kills other bad person’.
It sort of makes your point void.
Also who gets to decide who is a ‘bad person’ and deserving of being put to death ?
I appreciate the convicted criminals guilty of heinous crimes mentioned in this thread are indisputably evil but where do you draw the line, if you are letting ‘bad people’ make judgments on other ‘bad people’.

Not sure that's necessarily the case. The men referred to in the op murdered the child killer because they wanted to move prisons, not because they wanted to punish him for his crimes.

@Octavia64

These are all heroes from mythology or fiction, where I would argue the term has a different meaning/understanding.

A 'hero' from a mythological tale is not defined in the same way that regular human beings are defined as heroes. For a regular, non-mythological individual to be called a hero, they need to be virtuous enough to not be committing acts of rape and murder.

Would you consider the Nazis to be heroes? They undoubtedly killed some terrible people.

I don’t believe in capital punishment as they have got it wrong so many times! However these monsters rubbed out by prisoners I don’t really have an issue with. I don’t think they should have hero status, but they have at least cleared up the dregs of society who may have reoffended if they ever got out, plus it frees up more prison spaces, and saves probably millions

The definition of virtue signalling is really bloody broad if it includes thinking that a man on a whole life sentence for rape and multiple murders, including a pregnant woman, shouldn’t be applauded just because he killed Ian Watkins.

No one is lamenting the deaths of these individuals. Just not celebrating the killers.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That's what people think. I hate hearing them praised as heros when they're often (almost) as bad as the person they've killed.

I dont feel any sorrow for someone evil killed in prison but I do feel sorry for the prison staff that have to deal with it.

I remember reading on a thread about one of these murders, someone said "the general public aren't safe from being a murder victim so why should it be any different in prison". Which did make me stop and think. You could argue prison should be safe but do prisoners deserve "more" safety than ordinary people?

Achilles is a hero. He killed lots of people

hercules is a hero. He killed his own family

beowulf is a hero - he kills Grendel and grendel’s mum if I remember correctly

heroes aren’t necessarily good people

Roland (from the twelfth century song of Roland) also is a warrior who kills lots of people

@WhatATimeToBeAlive

So disrespectful to their other victims!

It's as though people totally forget that these prisoners have other innocent victims of their own, or they just don't care about them and their feelings.

I saw one comment saying they should have their sentences reduced. WTF?

@PolkaDotPorridge

But this thread is specifically about people who do think they are heroes.

So my point still stands. It's not virtue signalling.

Like I said. I don’t think they’re heroes. Hope that helps.

It’s a pity that this sort of punishment can’t be carried out legally by authorities. None of these are heroes but have saved the country a few pound.

@PolkaDotPorridge

It's not virtue signalling to point out that people who murder other prisoners have caused untold devastation and pain to other victims who did not deserve it.

It is not at all kind or sensitive to the the victims of a rapist and murderer to be calling that rapist/murderer a hero for murdering a fellow prisoner. It totally diminishes/ignores the suffering of their innocent victims.

@YouPromisedToStopPosting

Some people absolutely do approve of the death penalty in certain cases, so I can understand why those particular people applaud such killings.

What they should not do, however is laud the prisoner responsible as a hero in their own right, when they've normally committed crimes that are just as bad.

Absolutely. I don’t think they’re heroes but dead rapists/abusers etc don’t reoffend. So stop virtue signalling and save your sympathy for the actual victims and their families.

@Octavia64

Heroes kill bad people

That's not the definition of hero, or at least not the common culturally accepted one.

I don't think anyone who has committed such horrendous acts as murder or rape should be considered a 'hero', even if one individual act is considered to be worthwhile.

The Nazis were undoubtedly responsible for the deaths of some "bad people" as well as the many good - so should the Nazis be called heroes?

Many people still favour the death penalty. More so for certain kinds of murder, so if a child killer dies, it's a proxy for what they wish should have happened to them.

I don’t think it’s difficult. As a a society we either approve of capital punishment or we don’t.

If we don’t, we shouldn’t approve of it by the back door. If murder isn’t ok, then it isn’t ever ok.

Yeah, I don't think they should have their sentences reduced or be released. They'd certainly be a danger to society if they just murdered someone in prison, regardless of motive

It’s a difficult one. Whilst other prisoners are often convicted of murder, I very much doubt the likes of Ian Huntley would be murdered by someone in the prison due to involuntary man slaughter. I think with violent people, often there’s a ‘moral compass’ of sorts that justifies their actions to murder those they feel are a different kind of monster, - whether that’s a child murderer - paedophile or murderer or some innocent party.

of course it’s wrong, but many ‘normal’ people / parents etc would be glad of this … there are monsters that have no place on this realm, I guess they clear up these abhorrent creatures

Totally agree. It’s a symptom of the inability of people to engage their brain before they speak, knee jerk reactions based on juicy headlines.

its like in the john wick films when criminals have codes, its like your a criminal etc

Violent men enjoy having the opportunity to be violent.

They killed another prisoner because:

a) they enjoy violence and causing pain.
b) it makes them feel good about themselves.

Killing another criminal isn’t an altruistic act, it’s wholly motivated by their own selfish desires.