Why are people so inconsiderate with their vapes?

I have learnt over my years on this site that whatever people do is wrong so it’s not worth worrying about. The OP reported the incident to the head so it was dealt with.

And actually people who vaping or whatever and aren’t breaking any rules can do what they want.

No, people vaping are the ones who need to be more tolerate, by not vaping on school grounds

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣What a ridiculous post. Are you the only person on the planet who never does anything irritating?

I have a lower tolerance to people than most (to the point I don’t go out unless I actually have to) but even I’m not patronising enough to assume they are all thick because they do things I deem annoying.

Not sure why you are so offended by seeing flesh on show but interesting to know that people who are comfortable with their bodies (however they look) are also thick.

I was talking about young adults, not children - and this seems more in line with my experience of the 18 - 24 age group:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20jeey047xo

20% of the 502 18 year olds surveyed by Ash in 2022 were already vaping (fig. 5 of the report you shared above) - and the report also describes joining in with friends as a key reason for trying vaping.

So the possible irritant effect of e-cigarette vapour on people with asthma was acknowledged a decade ago (p. 7), but that message seems to have failed to land with many vapers.

Do you mean the bit in this section?

2. Ensure policies are informed by the evidence on health risks to bystanders

International peer-reviewed evidence indicates that the risk to the health of bystanders from exposure to e-cigarette vapour is extremely low. This is in contrast to the conclusive evidence of harm from exposure to secondhand smoke, which provides the basis for UK smokefree laws. The evidence of harm from secondhand exposure to vapour is not sufficient to justify the prohibition of e-cigarettes. Managers of public places and workplaces should ensure that this evidence informs their risk assessments.

Considerations for policy development:

- e-cigarette use is not covered by smokefree legislation and should not routinely be included in the requirements of an organisation’s smokefree policy

- reasons other than the health risk to bystanders may exist for prohibiting e-cigarette use in all or part of a public place or workplace, such as commercial considerations and professional etiquette

- people with asthma and other respiratory conditions can be sensitive to a range of environmental irritants, which could include e-cigarette vapour. The interests of such individuals should be taken into account when developing policies and adjustments made where necessary

- vaping can in certain circumstances be a nuisance or distraction for people nearby. Where a decision is taken to allow vaping in an enclosed place, policies could consider some simple etiquette guidelines for vapers, such as minimising the production of visible vapour

Seems like quite a lot of that message failed to land with you.

As PHE say, people with asthma can be sensitive to a range of environmental irritants. So which other potential environmental irritants do you think people shouldn't use in their own homes in case someone with asthma visits? Cleaning products? Cosmetics? What about pets, are they allowed those?

Also fascinating to read that in 2016, no-one expected young people who had never smoked to take up vaping in great numbers - how wrong they were!

No they weren't.

Among 11-17 year olds in Great Britain, 2% of current vapers have never smoked and 1.6% of never smokers currently vape. Just like adults, children who vape are overwhelmingly smokers or ex-smokers.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/use-of-e-cigarettes-among-young-people-in-great-britain

Seriously, it's too hot for this shit!

Thanks for this, v interesting. So the possible irritant effect of e-cigarette vapour on people with asthma was acknowledged a decade ago (p. 7), but that message seems to have failed to land with many vapers.

Also fascinating to read that in 2016, no-one expected young people who had never smoked to take up vaping in great numbers - how wrong they were!

Probably, but it's the only thing that helped me quit smoking.
I'm considerate with my vape, but if I'm sitting alone in a park/bench in summer vaping and you sit near me and complain, then I'm not stopping or moving.

It is absolutely fine to vape indoors, especially in her own house.

This is quite old now but it's still good advice:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c2f5412e5274a6599225de8/PHE-advice-on-use-of-e-cigarettes-in-public-places-and-workplaces.PDF

Inside their house! Someone who would absolutely never have smoked indoors, particularly when an asthmatic friend had come to stay, but now (to my surprise) vapes constantly indoors.

I think in 30 years time we will look back on the vaping trend in same way as we did with smoking. Filling your lungs with chemicals has got to end badly.

It's not only vapes or men.

There are all manor of ways in which those in their teens to pensioners feel they have a right to inflict their ways onto others.

Whether it be banging music out, kids screaming, bonfires burning or people walking round with their beer belly/arse/fanny flaps hanging out.

Yes, they're an absolute nightmare but unfortunately you'd be wasting your time getting exasperated about it as those that do these types of thing can't be reasoned with, won't see anyone's opinion but their own and worse still don't seem to have more than one brain cell, so not even that has a companion to keep it in check.

Shame, but that's how some are today with each generation learning this behaviour early than the one before.

A pub near us allows it in one room. They do a roaring trade!

It is still (currently) legal to vape indoors. If it is such a concern of yours you could always choose venues that ban it (and presumably they'd have to enforce that ban) and take the responsibility for yourself.

It used to be acceptable to vape inside until people starting complaining about that too

People not being able to cope with artificial scents seems to be a uniquely MN thing. Plus if they are outside, it’s not going to affect a child unless they blow it in their face.

I don’t do it and I’m not a fan but it seems that people just want to restrict others. People can’t smoke inside so people moan that they smoke outside. People can’t vape inside so people moan they vape outside.

Not liking it isn’t a reason for the rest of the world to have to
change their habits.

Where?? Literally no where i know permits vaping indoors

What I particularly hate is that people who a few years ago would have gone outside to smoke without a second thought seem to feel it’s absolutely fine to vape indoors, with no regard for non-vapers, children, people with lung problems, people who can’t cope with artificial scents etc etc

A snake analogy

Interesting

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lol your username is a euphemism for a dog’s penis

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Vipers vs Vapers 🤣

I don't think there are many people who never drive or ride in cars that emit exhaust fumes. Car ownership and usage is through the roof in the UK and electric cars haven't penetrated particularly significantly. I just think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance about the public health effects of driving versus almost everything else.

Ah the old MN trope - if someone does something you don’t approve off, they look stupid 🤣

OP - you told the teacher about the naughty kids vaping on the field. You can’t stop people vaping in the open air outside the cafe. So you were absolutely brilliant for moving pointedly and I’m sure they will think twice before having a coffee and a vape within 20 miles of another human being,

Not the point of the thread, but someone asked why having dogs is a social nuisance.

It’s because taking around a pet that can bite or lick people and which craps all over the floor is actually an extremely odd thing to do. If I walked past you with a snake on a lead and let it slither up to you and on your legs and said ‘he just loves people!’ before letting it crap on the pavement and then proceeding off down the road with it into the shops and school gates I think you’d see the problem.