Why are people so inconsiderate with their vapes?

No side effects at all, thanks for your concern. I run 2-3 times a week (when it's not a red alert heatwave!) and have no problems with breathlessness.

I used to smoke so this is way better and keeps me chilled when things get stressful. On balance I think stress is more harmful than vaping for me.

Food-grade flavourings, not food flavourings, as in they're fit for consumption🙄

Actually the car fume situation is way better than it was even 20-30 years ago. Not due to use levels:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/transport-and-environment-statistics-2023/transport-and-environment-statistics-2023

I guess I just find it interesting that you're happy to inhale that random stuff right into your lungs. Do you get any side effects like the ones on that website I linked? Breathlessness etc?
Are you worried about damage to your lungs?

Food flavourings aren’t meant to be lit up and inhaled via a plastic pen. They’re supposed to be used to… flavour food. I eat haribo occasionally but I wouldn’t light them up and inhale the contents.

Most of the chemicals quoted as dangerous in these reports are found in illegal / under the counter vapes.

I get mine from a reputable supplier and the ingredients are Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, Nicotine Salt + food-grade flavourings, which all meet UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) standards.

You bet . Disgusting chemical poison.

Not complaining does not mean they don't mind. Also as a frequent train user i have rarely shared a carriage with the shit faced gangs. What routes are you doing?

I agree, the normalisation of car fumes is crazy but hopefully car ownership will continue to fall as it is already doing in cities like london

Actually, it means I wasn’t looking at Mumsnet! A key difference with my experience on this visit was vaping being done indoors (by someone who always automatically went outside to smoke, and has also always been very considerate about keeping other irritants away from me) and continuously. Whilst vaping may not be ‘as bad’ as smoking dose for dose in terms of what’s released into the air, the fact that it never stops and happens in an enclosed space means that, over the course of a weekend, it had far more of an effect on my lungs than my friend’s smoking ever did. What people do in their own home (taking into account children / family members / visitors with lungs issues etc) is of course entirely their own affair.

However, I did find the level of panic whenever the vaping device was briefly mislaid a real concern - particularly when my daughter described the same reaction among the majority of her university friends who either arrived last September as vapers or have taken it up since then.

I hate vaping almost as much as smoking. I find it classless, rude and unsociable. I also make judgments about anyone who does something so harmful to their body.

I just found this website

https://www.cancer.nsw.gov.au/prevention-and-screening/preventing-cancer/damaging-effects-of-vaping/vaping-harms-your-health

I honestly thought the risks of vaping were proven and well known. I'm in Australia and we constantly get articles in the news about people who were chronic vapers who have ended up with serious lung disease. I actually really thought more people would be aware of that - I'm surprised to read so many on this thread arguing that it isn't harmful. I'm going to look up what the health department says here because I'm sure I've read that it's harmful.

I suppose it depends on your own definition of not many people.

Yesh but the point, which you are doing well at missing, is that those people also probably ride or drive cars that emit? That would be why there are 35 million cars on the roads in the UK and only 2 million of them are electric. In 2024 the average person drove a car 357 times a year and was a passenger 189 times.

There are lots of people who drive electric and there are also plenty of people that cycle, whether electric cycles or pushbikes. There are also now plenty of electric buses, especially in cities.
And some people walk!

grown adults sucking on them 24/7
no-one does that, it just appears that way to you because you're so incensed by them for some reason
tantrumming when they can’t do it on trains or inside
tantrumming? seriously?
Throwing them on the floor
That's why they banned disposables, you hardly see any discarded any more
wtf are the kiddy flavours about
Fruit flavours aren't 'kiddy' + most vapes are fruit flavoured these days

They’re absolutely like dummies, grown adults sucking on them 24/7 and tantrumming when they can’t do it on trains or inside. Throwing them on the floor and wtf are the kiddy flavours about.

Are you surprised people get defensive when you call them that? They look nothing like a dummy, unless babies around your way actually have vapes of course.

https://mft.nhs.uk/app/uploads/2023/12/SMPIL-23-016-Vaping.pdf

Darwinism may step in.

Where is that?

YANBU, as per the votes, but a lot of adults are very defensive over their adult dummies as you can see.

There's something very particular to the UK when it comes to taking offence at anything thats expelled out of the lungs.

Meanwhile ive never lived anywhere with such badly behaved kids and antisocial drinking practices, but nope - its the vaping that gets them.

Where im from people smoke their heads off and non smokers dont seem to mind. Where im from kids are raised to be kids but also respectful and quiet, and we dont tend to get shit faced on trains in the afternoon or have town centres that look like zoos on weekend nights.

@KeepDancing1 I note you have nothing further to say about potential environmental irritants - does this mean you now accept that it's OK for your friend to vape in her own home?

I was talking about young adults, not children

That's weird because the PHE guidance you were 'fascinated to read' did not discuss young adults, it talked about under 18s.

... and this seems more in line with my experience of the 18 - 24 age group:

Not this crap again!

Here is the study discussed in the BBC article:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(24)00183-X/fulltext

They didn't look at never smokers, they looked at 'never-regular-smokers' who selected the description, 'I have never been a smoker (ie, smoked for a year or more).'

The 1 in 7 figure does not refer to regular vapers but to 'current vapers' which was anyone who 'reported using an e-cigarette', including those who had been vaping for less than a week and those who vaped less than once a week.

So that 1 in 7 figure includes an unknown number of young people who smoked for up to a year, we don't know how long ago, and an unknown number of young people who simply tried a vape at some point or vaped once in a blue moon while out clubbing.

20% of the 502 18 year olds surveyed by Ash in 2022 were already vaping (fig. 5 of the report you shared above)

Why are you focusing on the anomalous 2022 post-covid/disposables spike when that figure has now dropped to 15%?

Why are you focusing on the total number of vapers and not the extremely low proportion of them who are never smokers?

and the report also describes joining in with friends as a key reason for trying vaping

What is your point?

You are Gish Galloping.