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To take an extra sibling if not allowed? Super Selective Grammar School visit.

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NameChanger206 · 19/06/2026 07:33

DS is in year 5, currently preparing for 11 plus for grammar schools in Sutton. One of the schools has a ticketed visit early next week. both of us and DS1 want to see the school (if he gets offered a place it will be very difficult for us to decide having not all seen it) however we have no one to watch our younger DS (yr 2). It says 3 tickets per family, but I’m wondering if IWBU to bring DS2 as we are not sure how to handle it otherwise

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NameChanger206 · 19/06/2026 20:08

CarshaltonMum · 19/06/2026 18:55

We have the same with Nonsuch in early July, although we have managed to sort childcare. It's frustrating, but I understand they can let more families in by limiting it to 3 per family. What is more annoying for me is that the Nonsuch open 'evening' is actually in the afternoon, with the last slot being 5:15pm, so we both have had to take an afternoon off work. I'm tempted to scrap applying there, which is sort of the point. They are so oversubscribed they don't really care if some people struggle to attend.

I know that’s the thing. They aren’t trying to sell places and next week is the only chance to see the school. If he does pass the tests and gets offered the chance then they aren’t going to let us go for a tour later while deciding whether to put it as top choice. It’s a very different school to the local state so a big decision if it will be right for DS.

any way we’ve decided that just DH and DS will go, and then me and DS2 will wait outside (unless of course they let us in if we ask nicely).

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caringcarer · 19/06/2026 19:07

moltopianissimo · 19/06/2026 09:33

He's not 2.

Year 2 then.

JellyAnna · 19/06/2026 19:03

You’re clearly making arguments against every suggestion, so I’m assuming you all just want to go as a family day out.

the fact you’re asking here, instead of ringing the school and asking them shows you don’t want the actual answer, which is of course not to bring your other child.

30mins · 19/06/2026 19:01

Meanwhile in teletubbtland people are getting ready for another really hard week ffs who cares

CarshaltonMum · 19/06/2026 18:55

We have the same with Nonsuch in early July, although we have managed to sort childcare. It's frustrating, but I understand they can let more families in by limiting it to 3 per family. What is more annoying for me is that the Nonsuch open 'evening' is actually in the afternoon, with the last slot being 5:15pm, so we both have had to take an afternoon off work. I'm tempted to scrap applying there, which is sort of the point. They are so oversubscribed they don't really care if some people struggle to attend.

ThanksItHasPockets · 19/06/2026 18:43

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:23

In this case, no, it was an independent, but however many rules there are for a state grammar, all the people doing the selection have to do is state, truthfully, that they have filled all available places.

An anecdote from an independent school is irrelevant here. State schools have to follow the statutory School Admissions Code.

ThanksItHasPockets · 19/06/2026 18:41

NameChanger206 · 19/06/2026 18:33

Distance is the tiebreaker for those with the same test score

And in the very unlikely event that this does not break the tie, there is an independently supervised ballot. It is explicitly stated in the admissions policy: www.wilsons.school/admissions-criteria/

NameChanger206 · 19/06/2026 18:33

Ponderingwindow · 19/06/2026 17:09

It is very likely that multiple children will get the same test score. At that point some other factor does come into play. Perhaps it will be completely randomized or perhaps knowing that one set of parents is unlikely to follow school rules will make the difference.

One of you needs to stay home.

Distance is the tiebreaker for those with the same test score

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GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 19/06/2026 18:20

Organise a playdate or ask a friend to babysit?

Besidemyselfwithworry · 19/06/2026 18:14

GetAFurqingCompass · 19/06/2026 07:38

Don't be so ridiculous, it doesn't need both adults and you definitely can't take your younger child.

This
open evenings with mum, dad, siblings and sometimes grandparents too are utterly ridiculous
are people not capable of making a decision on their own?

PiffleWiffleWoozle · 19/06/2026 18:12

I would go but be prepared if they say no. Some people will not turn up on the day

Jiski · 19/06/2026 18:01

Yes you are being unreasonable. Do you know anyone else who is going who doesn’t need all 3 tickets?

wouldthatbeworse · 19/06/2026 17:16

Oh what a lot of hand wringing. I’d just get on with it and make sure the younger kid sits on your lap for the talk

Macaroni46 · 19/06/2026 17:13

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 19/06/2026 16:10

It doesn't work like this any more (if it ever did). State schools have very particular rules to follow (even grammars) and could not possibly use "brought an extra child to an open evening" as a reason to exclude.

That is correct. But if two or more children get the same score then the one with the tricky parent might well be the one who isn’t given the place.
It’s not rocket science: just follow the rules!

Ponderingwindow · 19/06/2026 17:09

It is very likely that multiple children will get the same test score. At that point some other factor does come into play. Perhaps it will be completely randomized or perhaps knowing that one set of parents is unlikely to follow school rules will make the difference.

One of you needs to stay home.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 19/06/2026 17:06

NameChanger206 · 19/06/2026 12:08

The thing is it’s not really an emergency, where of course we would ask neighbours or friends. DS (age 7) has friends he could go to for a play date but I feel quite cheeky asking late into evening (we would be back by 8pm) which is past bed time for some of his friends with younger siblings. There are mixed views on the grammar system amongst both friendship groups so it would be viewed as cheeky amongst those I could ask for other reasons.

ive never needed to use a babysitting agency before - do people really leave their kids with at hoc strangers, even for a few hours?

How about asking at your wrap around care, if any of their staff do babysitting, @NameChanger206?

GreyCarpet · 19/06/2026 17:02

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 19/06/2026 14:24

Why would it matter if it was noticed?

I mean, noticed and told you couldn't bring them in as one thing but are you suggesting they would hold it against the child long term?

If they were to do this (and I have no idea if they would or not), it would be more the parents have marked themselves out as difficult and a family who aren't necessarily going to abide by school rules or parents who assume that the rules don't apply to them or their child if they don't want them too.

In terms of first impressions, it wouldn't be a good one.

Ultimately, it's up to the OP if she follows the rules (or suggestions to call) or not but IME, schools that don't uphold their own rules in one area tend to be a bit 'flexible' in others too and not necessarily in the way parents would want.

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 19/06/2026 16:31

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:23

In this case, no, it was an independent, but however many rules there are for a state grammar, all the people doing the selection have to do is state, truthfully, that they have filled all available places.

I really really hope what you are saying here is not true.

It would be truly appalling if grammar schools were flouting the rules and not selecting on ability (and other published criteria).

hahabahbag · 19/06/2026 16:26

Easy, just one parent goes. Why don’t both need to visit? Surely you trust each other. Exh didn’t visit any schools, he trusted me

stichguru · 19/06/2026 16:26

3 tickets
3 people
obviously DON'T

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:23

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 19/06/2026 16:17

Was this a state grammar?

In this case, no, it was an independent, but however many rules there are for a state grammar, all the people doing the selection have to do is state, truthfully, that they have filled all available places.

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 19/06/2026 16:17

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:15

I can also support @Macaroni46 's assertion. At the last school where I taught, we had an activity morning for prospective pupils, and they were observed as they participated in a Games session, an IT session, an Art session and a Music session.
As you can imagine, these are parts of a normal school day where youngsters show up in their true colours, and if you are choosing between two children, their reaction to slightly more freedom can be telling....

Was this a state grammar?

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:15

I can also support @Macaroni46 's assertion. At the last school where I taught, we had an activity morning for prospective pupils, and they were observed as they participated in a Games session, an IT session, an Art session and a Music session.
As you can imagine, these are parts of a normal school day where youngsters show up in their true colours, and if you are choosing between two children, their reaction to slightly more freedom can be telling....

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 19/06/2026 16:10

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:08

At this early stage in your relationship with the school, I feel it would be unwise to self-identify as That Parent.......after all, the school is, as you say, highly selective, so taking their pick.
A cautionary tale from many decades ago. A girl in my class, as clever if not cleverer than me, was going for the most sought-after grammar school locally, (back in the day when little Londoners still sat the 11+). She was quite a mousy little thing, probably because her DM was, er, strong minded. It was one of the "baby bulge" years, and the headmaster advised my parents that the competition would be particularly tough numbers wise, recommending a slightly less prestigious grammar school, which worked out well for me.
My classmate's DM forged ahead regardless, and then insisted on sitting in on her daughter's interview with a member of staff, which was apparently part of the school's admission policy. Having thus thoroughly drawn attention to herself, she was livid when other girls gained places while her daughter didn't, to the extent of berating some other parents. I don't know where she ended up going.

It doesn't work like this any more (if it ever did). State schools have very particular rules to follow (even grammars) and could not possibly use "brought an extra child to an open evening" as a reason to exclude.

twoshedsjackson · 19/06/2026 16:08

At this early stage in your relationship with the school, I feel it would be unwise to self-identify as That Parent.......after all, the school is, as you say, highly selective, so taking their pick.
A cautionary tale from many decades ago. A girl in my class, as clever if not cleverer than me, was going for the most sought-after grammar school locally, (back in the day when little Londoners still sat the 11+). She was quite a mousy little thing, probably because her DM was, er, strong minded. It was one of the "baby bulge" years, and the headmaster advised my parents that the competition would be particularly tough numbers wise, recommending a slightly less prestigious grammar school, which worked out well for me.
My classmate's DM forged ahead regardless, and then insisted on sitting in on her daughter's interview with a member of staff, which was apparently part of the school's admission policy. Having thus thoroughly drawn attention to herself, she was livid when other girls gained places while her daughter didn't, to the extent of berating some other parents. I don't know where she ended up going.