Burnham has won. More turmoil?

In the UK, as a predominantly white country, I think it’s to be expected that the majority of leaders are white. We have also had female leaders…. Thatcher… Theresa May… Truss…. Funnily enough though all tory. So your comment may have a bit of truth in it… towards a certain Labour party I guess. However, my point was that if someone had mentioned ‘brown skin’ the whole of MN would have been on it and the post would have been deleted by the moderators.

Ps he doesn't need to "give a shit" about what I think
Do you think saying that upsets me?

You came on here with rude, sweeping statements, having a go at people but you have nothing to back your statements up with so now you are getting cross, swearing and running away.

Good, because you weren't to the debate anyway.

I agree. But the whole country nowadays is divided. We all seem to hate each other, including on these threads. People have done well to campaign against misogyny and racism and we have come a long way since then. But when you get a completely divided nation and many different political parties that didn’t exist years ago all giving their views then it’s something else altogether.
i hate absolutely nobody for being a different skin colour, even my mixed race kids. But somehow get called a racist for speaking up against illegal migration. What I can’t stand is the total ‘shutdown’ and silencing of opinions that don’t adhere to the left’s way of thinking.

Oh pull the other one. I really don’t have time for this shit! The only people who seem to want KS to stay are the likes of you! Well, I’m sure you will get your wish as he seems unwilling to stand aside and would rather pretend he’s doing such an amazing job! Oh well… I’ll let you keep batting on about how wonderful you think he is. I’m sure he will give a shit about your views. Just like he has about the rest of his voters…. NOT!

Yep, run away when you realise you are just spouting nonsense.

It wasn't racist. It was, at worst, prejudiced, although, as I said you'd be hard pressed to make a convincing argument about the lack of white men in positions of power. Therefore I don't believe it even reached the threshold for prejudice. I think it was an apt observation.

Oh pull the other one. I really don’t have time for this shit! The only people who seem to want KS to stay are the likes of you! Well, I’m sure you will get your wish as he seems unwilling to stand aside and would rather pretend he’s doing such an amazing job! Oh well… I’ll let you keep batting on about how wonderful you think he is. I’m sure he will give a shit about your views. Just like he has about the rest of his voters…. NOT!

You are wrong but as you wish.

On immigration and the NHS at least, Labour seem to be making progress.
Why isn’t Labour on radio shows and TV stating the actual figures of how well they are doing ?
It really seems to be a missed opportunity.

Really? You don't see what the Iran war has to do with the UK?? Why do you think prices are rising everywhere?? Surely you aren't that stupid?

And again with the sweeping statements "nobody wants him in power"?
What, your friends down the pub? The Daily Mail?

The Right wing press have been out for Starmer from day one because they were scared that the glory days for the rich were going to be over and he might try to redistribute wealth a bit more.
So they have had a constant campaign against him and have told people he is unpopular. They would have done it to any Labour leader and will do it to Burnham if he gets in.

You need to start honing your own critical thinking skills and be less influenced by what you read in the papers & online.

Yeah I refer you back to the post very early this morning. I think somewhere near 6am where someone made a blatantly obvious racist post about white male leaders. Yet nobody batted an eyelid about it. If they had mentioned “brown leaders”, however, there would have been uproar. It seems nowadays it’s absolutely ok for people to be racist against white people!

On immigration and the NHS at least, Labour seem to be making progress.
Why isn’t Labour on radio shows and TV stating the actual figures of how well they are doing ?
It really seems to be a missed opportunity.

I’m not sure what the war in Iran has to do with the UK…. But I guess you are deflecting again. I think you should do some research. Many articles state he is the worst PM in history. Put it this way, in the whole 46 years I’ve been alive I’ve never known a PM become so unpopular within their 1st year of premiership. Starmer has managed that in true Starmer style. You can deny all you like but nobody wants him in power anymore (apart from people like yourself). What do you think this thread is about - Burnham winning the by election as a way to get into Westminster to get Starmer out. It was all a well articulated set up for that very reason. But you can deny that all you like.

The definition hasn't changed. People seem more comfortable with expressing views that used to be seen as shameful. I think it's because they've been given permission to do so by right wing populists like Farage, Johnson, Trump, those kind of figureheads.

I disagree with illegal immigration. It's dangerous and costly in terms of human life. I think there should be many more safe and legal routes for asylum seekers. I've never been called a racist. It depends on how you couch your views.

The definition hasn't changed. People seem more comfortable with expressing views that used to be seen as shameful. I think it's because they've been given permission to do so by right wing populists like Farage, Johnson, Trump, those kind of figureheads.

I agree. But the whole country nowadays is divided. We all seem to hate each other, including on these threads. People have done well to campaign against misogyny and racism and we have come a long way since then. But when you get a completely divided nation and many different political parties that didn’t exist years ago all giving their views then it’s something else altogether.
i hate absolutely nobody for being a different skin colour, even my mixed race kids. But somehow get called a racist for speaking up against illegal migration. What I can’t stand is the total ‘shutdown’ and silencing of opinions that don’t adhere to the left’s way of thinking.

The definition of racism has changed hugely since BLM. Its remit is now so wide it includes the vast majority of the white population.

Because of this, I don't think people care-in a way they did before-about being called racist. I certainly don't.

The definition has changed. I haven't and if I now fit the more ridiculous definitions of racism then so be it.

I am waiting for the day when the definition of slim is changed to include a 20 stone woman. I mean, I'll be slim according to that but of course I know that in every other way, in reality, I won't be!

In the same way, you've changed the definition of racism and according to that I am now racist but in every other way, in reality, I'm not and that's why a growing number of people no longer care if they're called racist according to the new lights.

They jumped the shark, as they say.

I would argue that it was just as divided. There was a real distinction between the haves and the have nots; and of course if you were black, gay, a woman, working-class....you wouldn't have thought you were living through halcyon days in the 80s.

I’m not sure what the war in Iran has to do with the UK…. But I guess you are deflecting again. I think you should do some research. Many articles state he is the worst PM in history. Put it this way, in the whole 46 years I’ve been alive I’ve never known a PM become so unpopular within their 1st year of premiership. Starmer has managed that in true Starmer style. You can deny all you like but nobody wants him in power anymore (apart from people like yourself). What do you think this thread is about - Burnham winning the by election as a way to get into Westminster to get Starmer out. It was all a well articulated set up for that very reason. But you can deny that all you like.

Some people would label you a racist though if you voice concern about immigration levels. It’s a way to shut down debate.

Yet still the country wasn’t as divided as it is now.

When did I say you were a fan of the Tories, I don't remember typing that at all?

I was merely challenging your sweeping statement (again) that Starmer is the "worst PM in history" and cited two PMs with poorer track records who just happen to be Tory Prime Ministers.

I don't think Starmer has done enough bad things to be called the "worst PM in history" not by a long chalk.
Before the dreadful, illegal war in Iran was started by Trump the economy was actually starting to get back on track.

This sounds strangely familiar. Some of it at least.