Burnham has won. More turmoil?

Okay then. So my point still stands.

I don't think you understand my point which is that austerity was a standalone policy. No more, no less. No comment made on socio-economic conditions before or afterwards.

Global recession. That bit is important.

I think that is unfair on Binface. He makes a lovely Dorothy.

Love Fox 😆 🤣 😂

No it wasn’t. You are actually proving my point.. where do we draw the line and stop harking back to previous governments failings?

Aye, Blair and Brown before the “14 years of Tory austerity” seem to have long been forgotten about. Illegal wars and pretend WMD. Then came the recession. I remember well.

Well done, 10 points for "14 years of Tory austerity" because everything was marvelous up to that point and beyond the 14th year. In reality, most things are now unfixable and all sides are as bad as each other, we're screwed.

Me too. It’s brilliant. 😂

😂

That genuinely made me 😂

Gonna leave this here 🧙🇦🇺

If it’s “boring now” then why do you keep coming back and commenting on it? I haven’t seen you provide evidence that Starmer is doing such an amazing job on the world stage either. But I don’t keep the argument going. You however, have been like a dog with a bone. Just accept the man is extremely unpopular and there is vast amounts of “evidence” of that. You have literally come on a thread about Andy Burnham winning the Makerfield by election which was a setup to get Starmer out… because believe it or not.. Starmer IS unpopular and a lot of his own party want him out hence why someone stood down in Makerfield to give Burnham a good run at contesting Starmer. If you’re butt hurt about that then you’re well within your rights… but quit this silly argument now because like you said it really is getting boring. Even though I do find it slightly amusing that you are jumping to Starmer’s defence despite him being a sinking ship. If all you can find to defend him about is what he’s done on the world stage then I feel sorry for you. But I admire your adoration for him and how you’re so desperate to run to his defence. How cute ☺️

And this is where we are at. Racism only seems to be a one way street nowadays.

But you had no evidence for how he is so laughed at on the world stage is the point!!
You just said it and kept on saying it but other than Trump (which doesn't count) and someone smirking or something you had nothing else

Now you're playing at being terribly reasonable but you were not earlier on in this thread which is why I called you out.

But it's boring now and I know you are going to constantly push for the last word so feel free to have it, I don't really care

To be clear i did! Its the acceptable face of racism for the left. Talk about pakistani grooming gangs and you're a racist though

I’m not quite sure how @KatiePricesKnickers can upset me seeing as we seem to have a lot of the same views but you carry on trying to cause division if you like 😂

Tee hee hee. It’s hilarious isn’t it how they can jump to the conclusion we are racist. I’m jealous of my kid’s warm tanned skin tone.
I’m the least racist person on earth but because I speak up about unlimited illegal immigration it makes me racist apparently…. Go figure 😂

I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m saying. It is absolutely ok for me to despise Starmer. Just like it’s ok for people to despise Farage, Johnson, Truss, Blair and anyone else. I couldn’t give a shit who despises who. It’s the fact you seem to get butt hurt about it.
i have my opinion, you have yours. You love Starmer I get it. Personally I can’t see what he has done good for the country. And I still stand by my words that he has made us look like a fool on the world stage. You can’t see that. But it’s Friday night and I’m beyond the point of caring now. This argument has been going on all day.

Fellow mum to mixed race kiddo here and also MN racist! 🤷‍♀️

Mind you, my Muslim DH has been called an Islamophobe for expressing perfectly reasonable views about very young girls wearing hijabs. We seem to be determined to protect the intolerant folk of any race or religion, at any cost.

Yes it definitely is. Common ground is great. Resorting to insults is not. Like I said, I think you have been really sensible in what you have said without resorting to insults which is refreshing.

Don't try to turn it round - again!
You have brought nothing to the debate here except things you are parroting from the right wing press that you have no actual evidence to back up.

I don't necessarily love Starmer but I do despise people who rubbish him or any other politician they don't like but with no actual argument to back it up with.

It was so obvious you were one of those - just posting empty sweeping statements and thinking you were clever. But when someone questions you, you just crumble and resort to insults. 😂

I definitely think there's common ground to be found, especially if you can agree to disagree! It's good to hear other people's viewpoints.

Ah see I’m of the opinion that the division is coming from the left because they seem to shut down and belittle any concerns from the right. But honestly, I absolutely respect your views and it’s very rare that I see someone as sensible and logical as you comment on these sort of threads. But you know what? I can agree with some of your points. I think if more people had your sort of logic then we would all get along just fine. It’s the gaslighting, manipulative tactics of some of the left in an attempt to shut down concerns from people of the right I cannot stand. But I haven’t seen that in you.
We are definitely living in interesting times. I guess it would be great to see the whole country united. But we are a long way off that.

Wasn’t like this 30/40 years ago.

You’re right. It was worse. We were enduring Thatcher 40 years ago.