Burnham has won. More turmoil?

But who will replace her?

Please not Ed Milliband.

I agree with all of this BUT Burnham is so much better at communicating political messages to people who are only partially engaged on a ‘vibes’ basis that I have some slim hope that he will improve the general perception of government success. Plus there is a lot of time for Reform to trip themselves up badly too. A good World Cup, some economic growth (not impossible as we’re on the upswing) and things might be different. But your analysis is also highly possible

Yes, Farage wants to be PM only to be able to say that he has been the PM. He would consider the job done on day one. The fact that people don't see this amazes me. He doesn't give a fuck about his average voter - he'd actively avoid most of them if he wasn't courting their vote. What does an upper class man who went to public school have in common with the average working /underclass white Brit? Absolutely nothing. He probably considers them to be idiotic proles. The only person Farage cares about is Farage, oh and maybe his donors too.

I am quite fascinated though by how Burnham is morphing into Starmer. They have the same looks and mannerisms

Burnham never set the world alight when he was an MP before. Don't kid yourself he won't be shit!

Boris Johnson wasn't shit because he was Mayor of London, but because he was shit full stop.

Sticking to the manifesto isn't something Starmer's Labour has done either. And, frankly, some of the manifesto was always going to lead to problems, as they hobbled themselves economically.

Also, Labour's policies have killed growth and youth employment. Nobody expected miracles, but making things worse is really not the way to do it (this relates back to the hobbling).

Economically selfish? Isn’t that the people who oppose any tax increases for the rich?

I’m getting Boris vibes with this

I know he was mayor but that doesn't mean he can run the country....I would feel the same if they said Sadiq Khan was going to be PM.

We've already tested 'do Mayors make good PMs?' with Boris. I think we all know how well that went.

Or I am happy to subsidise others who I believe need it.

Obviously not a Starmer fan, but constantly changing leader is a bad sign for the stability of a country.

I imagine Burnham will get in and start doing things that were not in the Labour manifesto which got Labour into power.

Unfortunately for us all, there’s time for this yet.

Starmer has made things worse - got rid of the 2 child benefit cap and the winter fuel allowance for pensioners not on credit etc. I don’t know anyone who likes him, whether they’re left or right wing.

To me it is not really about the person but the fact that the party in Government can vote in whoever they want as PM without the people who voted for them having a say. This goes for all parties.
Perhaps Burnham will be good, perhaps he will be a shambles, but either way he wasn't voted in by the people.
I know he was mayor but that doesn't mean he can run the country....I would feel the same if they said Sadiq Khan was going to be PM.

Actually no - but it's interesting you assume that.

lol! With the current state of this country and his “I don’t give a fuck” attitude, then good luck to you 😂

I genuinely don’t understand how a single person votes Labour. I can only assume they are supportive of others subsidising them. There is no other rational answer. They simply have to be economically selfish.

Ugh - I feel really down about this and I actually don’t agree that it’s better than reform winning - I think it makes Reform more likely to win in the next election because on top of the people who think Starmer (in less than 2 years) should have been able to fix decades of issues that have built up under several governments and a very unstable global economy over which he has very little control, we’ll now get the ‘he wasn’t voted in by us so has no mandate’ voices too. I find it utterly depressing. No one from any party would have done any better - the problems that we have cannot be fixed in less than 2 years and no one has anymore idea than Starmer (well I certainly haven’t heard any other party put forward any workable suggestions anyway) as how to fix all of this given the causes. I blame Streeting, not Burnham though for triggering the start of it all. The country desperately needs some stability and those two idiots are about to take it away from us in a depressing leadership contest where what we need is sensible. Once that has happened, all those they that seem to think someone can magically fix all of this, will bay for an election for the next 3 years because yuh know, we didn’t vote for Burnham so he has no right to make decisions in my name blah nonsense. I had hoped the World Cup might bring the country together over the next few weeks but no, we’re going to have to suffer through this now.

While farage toadies to trump. I'd take starmer any day.

“Starmer has shown a strong leadership on the world stage.”

And that’s the issue. It’s all that prick cares about, how he is seen on the world stage. He doesn’t give a shit about the UK, he only cares about how the other world leaders see him. Because he has a grandiose sense of self worth and thinks he’s far better than he really is. Complete, selfish total utter narcissist more like.
Oh and btw he’s done nothing but make a fool of himself on the world stage. He’s a laughing stock and the other world leaders know it.

You just have to read the langague on this thread to see why Politcs is so toxic, and more divided than ever.

It's all very depressing.

If I thought a change of leadership would do any good I would be happy to see the back of Starmer. But I have absolutely no faith that a new leader will be any better.

And no faith either that a new leader will be long term. The role seems to have become akin to that of most football managers: just a revolving door.

And actually of Labour MPs own making. They have been the most disloyal and unsupportive of all. Of course if the government tries to make decisions and are forced into u turn after u turn by their own party they are going to look completely incompetent.

And presumably you sit there writing that as a Tory voter?

The irony.