Burnham has won. More turmoil?

That's what being PM is all about - accountability. Anybody, no matter what party they support should want that. He talked a good fight but hasn't delivered.

I can't actually see what Starmer has done that makes everyone dislike him so much. The country is in a dire state due to multiple factors from the past (never really recovered from the financial crisis of 2008 and the appalling Austerity politics, Brevity, covid) and global issues. Many other countries are facing the same problems as us in terms of expensive housing, poor wage inflation etc. There is no easy fix to it all.

If the Labour Party really wants Burnham to take over then I think the best way would be for Burnham to work alongside Starmer for a year or so and then have a managed handover.

I feel hopeful for the first time in a long time. For years during a Conservative government i was saying 'We need to get Keir Starmer in and give him a chance to turn things around' but unfortunately he has been a massive dissappointment. I feel with Andy Burnham in charge (i realise this is not yet a given) we have real hope of a better country otherwise inevitably Reform will get in next time and i dread to think what will happen to the UK then.

I like both of them. I’d rather starmer stayed , I think he’s decent and steady, and then Burnham lead labour at the next election.

What makes you think that people who believe in higher taxes aren't already higher earners?

If you are unable to even imagine that some people might vote against their own self interest because they want a fairer society, then doesn't that make you the economically selfish one?

I agree. I cannot stand the smug look on his face.

Why do you assume that anyone who criticises Labour is a journalist? I'm actually a doctor and business owner but do feel free to carry on throwing insults around. I'm quite happy sitting back and watching the Labour party implode.

Or perhaps all these 9-5 junior doctors and nurses who’ll save their life when they get rushed to A&E?

When I look at the cabinet I think about what a really difficult and important job they have , yet our political system means you can get one of these jobs with very little or no experience. The same is true with PM. Starmer is obviously intelligent but how much political experience does he actually have when you consider he has the most important job in the country? Same with Philipson. In charge of the countries education system with what qualifications? At least Burnham has his mayoral experience. I’m trying to be optimistic.

What will a new PM do about so many things that are wrong with this country? I wished I knew, the Tories did that and nothing much changed. Best one they had was Rishi sunak and they hung him out to dry and I say that as someone who isn’t a conservative voter.
This split in the LP and in fighting is more akin to how the conservatives were for years. A new leader needs to unite people and I can’t see AB doing that.

‘Build, baby, build’ approach to solving exorbitant rents?

Where did Count Binface come? Did he beat the Tory?

I like Burnham but prefer stability. Leaving the EU has ironically turned the UK into Italy in the 80s.

Let's wait and see, he is not PM yet and a lot can happen.

I hope if he does become prime minister he will be given more of a chance than Starmer. The minute Starmer arrived the media was out to get him, they were relentless. So much personal hate generated towards him which is really not fair.

It wasn’t Labour who caused the UK to lose 6% of its economy via Brexit.

Which public sector layabouts do you have in mind, the ones who empty your bins, or who teach your children, or those who try and support vulnerable older people to remain independent in their own homes or with insufficient funds to do so?

That was purely and simply Trump's deranged and senile inability to use or recognise normal social cues. 🤷

Quite why anyone even believes that the Government are running things anyway baffles me.

They are owned and run by the banks who run and own us.
They don't stop the energy companies from fucking us over, don't protect us from any of the onslaught of men pouring into our country to rinse it and have fucked over the youth by making them unemployable.

They have fucked small business by making it so ridiculously expensive to employ people so businesses are being forced to shed staff to keep going.

They spin everyone into a frenzy dividing us all while screwing us over removing our freedoms yet are toothless when girls are raped and men are stabbed.

This country is bankrupt and so is the rest of Europe.
If people think Andy Burnham is the answer when all this is, is another fucking male popularity contest and more smoke and mirrors to distract everyone while they push through digital ID.

In France when electricity and gas became cheaper they immediately passed the savings onto the population, reducing energy costs in the evenings by 60% and when the fuel prices came down last week they insisted the savings were immediately passed onto the population so they could pay less.

In the UK we are paying so much more and getting so much less.

People here are far too concerned with Palestine etc and not concerned enough with making the Government sort this country out.
Anyone who does is labelled as far right to shut them down.

We should ALL be taking to the streets to protest the state of this place but unless people can virtue signal about a country on the other side of the world they aren't interested.

We are all being played.

Andy Burnham won't change shit. This country is bankrupt.

Yes, they watched the thousands of death in Italy, slowly spread to the rest of Europe and watched zero in NZ and they shut down being an Island

Well......
Let's not buy into excuses, please. I had not heard this Mandelson knowing about any bodies one..... that is a new one .
But, the idea that UK PM should promote an individual who has been close enough to a murder to know where bodies are, instead of handing him to the police? And get it all properly settled and taken to court?
And blackmailing a President of another country!!??
Mandelson was always bad news, interested only in his pocket. And he has brougth zero positives to UK.

Honestly some people just spout utter nonsense like this with no evidence to back it up
Could be a Daily Mail journalist, their articles are like this - just overblown vitriol and grandiose statements with no real truth behind them.
The Daily Mail started the idea that Starmer is the "least popular PM ever" by just saying it over and over again.

It would be the private school fees issue. Some MN froth day in and day out about this. They feel the future of the country as a whole hinges on a teeny tiny number of rich people having to pay VAT on their private school fees.

Oh but he is a laughing stock…
"Humiliating To Be British!" | Keir Starmer ‘Snubbed’ By Trump At Gaza Peace Summit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NR3STPsnBAc&ra=m
😂🤣😂🤣😂

It doesn't take long to turn from "We should listen to the working classes, respect their opinion and not see ourselves as superior to people who we disagree with" back to a "bunch of selfish, work shy scroungers" does it?
Mask slips very quickly when the ordinary people aren't being useful.