Burnham has won. More turmoil?

Oh come on! What Labour members have said time and again is that their numerous female MPs are somehow not quite good enough to lead them. Not quite as ' statesmanlike' as giants like Jeremy Corbyn or Ed Milliband. It goes deep. It's nothing to do with policy. We don't have a Presidential system. It's the Labour Party and the bias they largely seem to have. The problem Labour have is that they never look at themselves, their infighting, their endless purity spirals, their obsessions with how terrible everyone else is, patting themselves on the back about how ' progressive and non racist they are etc. They are the Guardian of political parties. Spouting on about their moral righteousness while being sued for unfair dismissal and racism and hounding staff out of their jobs.

Labour put hundreds of man hours and many leaflets into this campaign. I hope it all gets accounted for properly in their expenses.
They knocked 8 times on every door apparently and dropped 8 leaflets... That's an unbelievable workload.

And U-turn-Burnham flipflopped on so many things but you know he believes in Remain and that men can be women and that women are mean because they don't let blokes into their single sex spaces.

He is a bad man in terms of conviction. Which sadly is what we already have in number 10.
The only man with conviction is a dangerous net-zero zealot.

The tories took 14 years to become unpopular! Starmer has trumped that by becoming the most unpopular PM ever and he did that within his first 12 months of his premiership so nice try

I thought Burnham had said he didn't want a cabinet position?

You'd hope they'd not actually kill the economy in the first 2 years though.

But they did.

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The next general election isn't till 2029. What would be sensible would be for Starmer to give Burnham a cabinet post to give him a period of time to get used to being in Westminster again and to learn the scale of the challenges that government is facing, with a plan to hold an orderly leadership contest no earlier than 2028 so that whoever wins is still in their honeymoon period when the general election approaches.
They will not do this.

Lisa Nandy as PM material ?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shaba Mamood I could definitely get behind as PM but it would never happen because unfortunately, in Labour Party land women are not seen as leaders.

I’m happy for turmoils to get rid of Starmer and Reeves.

How much has all this cost taxpayers? A by-election? holding another election for mayor? Just to get someone into a position to challenge for the leadership of a party.

Labour was voted in. With Starmer at the head. Democratically.

What an absolute waste, and why the heck should we have to pay for this.

Interesting how they confounded the many who assumed that because Makerfield is not generally an affluent area, and given that the population voted for Brexit, that they’d pretty much be a shoo-in for Reform.

Equally interesting to me was the Aberdeen South by election, going to the Tories! Almost entirely down, evidently, to Ed Miliband and his net zero policies - perhaps particularly after the current mess of Trump’s making, oil and the Straits of Hormuz, etc.

I went to 10 Downing St recently. There is a staircase which has portraits of each PM, getting more recent as you climb up. They'll need to build a new floor, rate were going

I reckon KS will be gone in a week. What an absolute shit show

all Reform have learned here is they need to pick better candidates and give them media training, honestly the idea this is some kind of turning point against reform when labour played their best striker in the entire region…anyway Andy gets it, but he’s got a fight on against the talentless London Labour party now…

Of course he might not do that well. His policies might be weak too and promised change doesn’t happen for him either.

But the same again, Labour really will have to look at themselves rather than blame others if they do lose the GE.

I don’t think the general population is swinging right. They just want to matter far more than they currently do.

Who cares? If you don’t like it scroll on by. I’ll use the name I want.

I’m pleased they won Aberdeen South, and she out polls all the men. Starmer is very low. He’s about to be ousted due to how disliked he is, Focus on that rather than use of Kemi.

ok let's revisit this discussion leading up to the GE, assuming someone else - probably Burnham - has been in charge of the Labour party for a good couple of years.

I have absolutely no idea where they're finding their candidates from NOW. Every single one of them is like a bad caricature of a gammon or a Nazi. Like, so over the top they're not believable. Why are they fielding people that are so obviously thick, and extreme? They'd romp it if their candidates could string a sentence together and evidence a social media history free of swastikas and misogyny but nope. They CANNOT get it together.

Exactly! I am just glad Reform didn’t win

It's the Conservatives who have made a habit of getting rid of Prime Ministers and installing new ones without calling a General Election. They did it with Margaret Thatcher, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss.

Labour have done it once so far with Tony Blair and will probably do this with Keir Starmer but Mumsnetters usually save their ire for Labour politicians.

I was very hopeful for this government butthey seem so politically inept. This morning they have announced a new housing policy to save first time buyers an estimated £700. The sellers have to provide a housing pack. The labour government about 20 years ago introduced the Homes Information Pack (hips) also known as hated info pack because it cost the sellers hundreds but wasnt accepted by mortgage providersand went out of date after about 3 months so the seller had to pay again ( givt insisted on renewal )This new housing pack might have some differences but most information is time sensitive. So another likely boo boo.
But if we have a change I dont fancy Andy Burnham. The thing i dont like about Andy Burnham is his saying he will represent the people of the north. We are a country not east and west berlin and need more division like a hole in the head.

Even if he becomes PM, nothing will change.

Very poor analysis. You do actually need to look beneath the surface to understand the seismic shifts in UK politics over the last decade.

Incidentally it's conventional to refer to politicians by their last names, titles or honorific followed by last name. The way you say "Kemi" is jarring.