Burnham has won. More turmoil?

You seem unwilling to answer the question why marches under Starmer = bad but marches under Tories = good.

You are a bit fast and loose with your assertions and assumptions

Oh so you have come to the assumption that I agreed with pro Palestine marches under the tories have you! What a strange way of thinking and what a strange assumption to make.

You seem to be suggesting that Starmer allowing pro-Palestine marches is wrong but you conveniently ignore that they have always been allowed, even under the Tories.

Why the double standard?

I’m not talking about the Tories! Just because I made a positive comment about Kemi Badenoch doesn’t automatically mean I support the tories either so nice try 😊

I’m laughing hard at this toolmaker analogy. I do get it, but “toolmaker” is probably going to be on Keir Starmer’s political obituary

Were pro-Palestine marches banned under the Tories?

I share your hope re Burnham.

I think Starmer is ok. But ok is not really good enough. We need somebody better than ok.

Difficult to explain why I think Starmer is just ok, but I can maybe explain in toolmaker terms.

So a toolmaker does an apprenticeship, Then a good few years on the tools. They might become a foreman, then a toolroom manager. But they can, and do, go back on the tools for a rush job. They might set up their own shop and end up MD of a big company. But they can still go back to the tools.

Starmer, to me, comes across as super ambitious. He start's an apprenticeship, does not finish it. He moves into QA. Is a QA supervisor by the time his fellow apprentices are finishing serving their time. Then Starmer is sucking up to the boss, moves into production. He does just enough to get promoted. Sometimes he is promoted because there is nobody else. He makes it to sales director, then does a hostile takeover to be CEO.

To me, Starmer is always wanting the promotion without being bothered at actually being really good at the steps to get there.

As evidence, he was head of the CPS, but as PM he keeps referring to seeking legal council. Why ? Why is he using other lawyers to advise him when he was the top lawyer.

And I think for him, as PM he is the same. It's a stepping stone to the next bit. A Lord, a world statesman. He appears to always be looking at the next step up with the minimum effort in the actual job of the moment. He passes the job that he is employed to do to advisors.

But we need a time served toolmaker who can go on the tools. Someone who is good at the basics. The stuff that Starmer skipped.

That's how I see it.

Yep. Tactical voting in action. And until the political establishment admits that the two party system is dead and considers a more representative electoral system, so it will continue.

Ah. So you can get an inference.

it’s not a gotcha about your politics. It’s a gotcha for your willingness to skate over a fact in pursuit of your preferred view.

It’ll be turmoil for the country , but even more so for AB who has lived in the bubble of being a mayor. A bit like Boris Johnson was and he was a popular one too.
Once the media start digging around what he did as health secretary years ago ( PFI wasn’t that huge a success ) and how one of his current advisors on the payroll gets paid a fortune for two days work ( this was on Facebook and no, I don’t have a ‘source ‘ , but it was on there and don’t know if its true ) and all the other things they may dig up about him , he may find that not be surrounded by people that like him and think his the best thing ever is a whole different ball game especially as our press and X in particular are incredibly hostile.
Its already started with calls for a GE. Keir Starmer can stand as a candidate if there is a challenge. He isn’t going to leave quietly it seems. I feel that the ‘King of the North ‘ may not like the constant criticism he’ll receive , ( only my opinion though )

Yes please do! You can’t reason with brainwashed people!

Johnson saw a lot of resignations yes. Starmer is also clocking them up pretty sharply too! Besides I was never a Boris Johnson supporter so if you’re trying to use it as a gotcha then it hasn’t worked!

Okey dokey - I'll leave you to it.

lol

It’s you who don’t know what you are talking about, plainly

Eh? What are you talking about?

Boris Johnson enters the thread to be “world beating”

No it isn’t! He’s brought it all on by himself. Even a lot of his own party want him gone. He’s had more resignations from his members in the last few months than I think I’ve ever seen in such a short space of time.

Exactly.

Oh yeah but the Palestine ones are all ok then and never violent. Give your head a wobble!
Ah well… if you can’t see that most of the country are dissatisfied with Starmer, then more fool you! You are obviously one of the easily manipulated!
Oh what it must be like to go around with your head buried in the sand while being unable to see what most people can see as clear as day 😂 I mean the whole point of the Makerfield by election was set up to oust Starmer. But you carry on oblivious to it all lol

And where is Starmer's blame? It is Starmer who has promoted his mates (Mandelson), is in the process to give contracts to his dodgy dealings mate related company (Pallantir). In full Tory style. With a man who has been found sharing UK assets info with Epstein, amongst others...
If Starmer had stayed away from Mandelson, Starmer would remain in power. It is his own doing.

I don't think the far right marches can be described as 'peaceful' by any stretch of the imagination. And one man committing a crime does not warrant a large-scale witch hunt against all immigrants.

The hatred of Starmer is driven by right wing press and social media, and Reform’s incessant personal attacks on him. He’s a decent man, doing a great job on the world stage, trying to turn round 14 years of utter shambles by the Tories. If you actually ask people why they don’t like him, there’s less clarity, its just soundbites. Having said that, if Burnham can face Reform head on and show them for what they are, then so be it.

I completely agree. How they look and what mannerisms they have is the least important thing about politicians imo

No he managed to get here on his own steam, Labour have to move on from blaming the press.

Burnham did well in the by-election, go with someone who’s not an electoral liability. He might turn it around, wait and see.