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Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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KatiePricesKnickers · 19/06/2026 05:51

Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

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Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:26

soddingspiderseason · 19/06/2026 18:22

Hi - I think this person is just trying to cause dissent and division, as they are just saying daft stuff with no evidence. Its the Reform/right wing tactic - throw enough shit and hope some will stick. I’m ignoring them from here on in as they have nothing of substance to say x

oh seriously! Like the left aren’t trying to cause division. Okay 😂

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:25

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 18:23

I did say aside from Trump & your other examples are pretty weak.

Also "most people I have spoken to" is pretty crap too.
Maybe "most people I have spoken to" like him?
Doesn't quite work as an arguement does it? It could mean two people, ten people or just my good mate in the pub who agrees with everything I say.

Really not that impressive.

Youre really not that impressive either tying yourself in knots trying to defend a failed PM. Rated the worst PM in British history in fact. But let’s agree to disagree because we are just going around in circles.

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 18:23

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:17

Oh well you only need to watch the viral videos of him on the world stage where Trump snubbed him and the Pakistani president was pissing himself and the Italian PM had to stop herself laughing.
Oh and not to mention being Trump’s lapdog by picking up some documents he dropped.

He’s a laughing stock to the majority of British people on the world stage and most people I have spoken to say he’s an embarrassment to us! If you seriously think other world leaders think highly of him then you need to give your head a wobble!

I did say aside from Trump & your other examples are pretty weak.

Also "most people I have spoken to" is pretty crap too.
Maybe "most people I have spoken to" like him?
Doesn't quite work as an arguement does it? It could mean two people, ten people or just my good mate in the pub who agrees with everything I say.

Really not that impressive.

soddingspiderseason · 19/06/2026 18:22

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 18:12

Don't turn it back on me, i'm not the one making sweeping statements that I can't back up.

I still want your evidence that Starmer is "a laughing stock on the world stage".
The more you faff and turn it back on me with insults the more obvious it is that you can't provide any evidence.

Hi - I think this person is just trying to cause dissent and division, as they are just saying daft stuff with no evidence. Its the Reform/right wing tactic - throw enough shit and hope some will stick. I’m ignoring them from here on in as they have nothing of substance to say x

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:21

soddingspiderseason · 19/06/2026 18:19

I’m sorry, but this is nonsense. I’m not sure where you are getting your ‘viral videos’ from, but its clearly not what the rest of us are seeing.

Must have been burying your head in that sand then 😂

lobwedge · 19/06/2026 18:21

Swiss177 · 19/06/2026 06:15

I genuinely don’t understand how a single person votes Labour. I can only assume they are supportive of others subsidising them. There is no other rational answer. They simply have to be economically selfish.

Because the rest are worse.
If you're writing that as a Tory then you're skipping clown school.
If you're further right then you need to stop voting.

ClarkeandNewman · 19/06/2026 18:20

RosieHosie · 19/06/2026 18:10

Is it even 14 years of austerity anyway? Surely all the money spent during covid wasn't austerity?

Austerity was a policy of retrenchment and fiscal consolidation. No, COVID wasn't part of that, it was an unexpected event. But the government was still making policy according to austerity rhetoric - cutting and freezing public sector pay, cutting public services, increased social security conditionality and so forth. Basically a welfare state is an integral part of a capitalist economy but that economy has moved on from the early days of the welfare state so the state has to adapt to its changing needs. Austerity was more about doing that and smashing the vestiges of the post war settlement.

soddingspiderseason · 19/06/2026 18:19

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:17

Oh well you only need to watch the viral videos of him on the world stage where Trump snubbed him and the Pakistani president was pissing himself and the Italian PM had to stop herself laughing.
Oh and not to mention being Trump’s lapdog by picking up some documents he dropped.

He’s a laughing stock to the majority of British people on the world stage and most people I have spoken to say he’s an embarrassment to us! If you seriously think other world leaders think highly of him then you need to give your head a wobble!

I’m sorry, but this is nonsense. I’m not sure where you are getting your ‘viral videos’ from, but its clearly not what the rest of us are seeing.

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:17

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 18:12

Don't turn it back on me, i'm not the one making sweeping statements that I can't back up.

I still want your evidence that Starmer is "a laughing stock on the world stage".
The more you faff and turn it back on me with insults the more obvious it is that you can't provide any evidence.

Oh well you only need to watch the viral videos of him on the world stage where Trump snubbed him and the Pakistani president was pissing himself and the Italian PM had to stop herself laughing.
Oh and not to mention being Trump’s lapdog by picking up some documents he dropped.

He’s a laughing stock to the majority of British people on the world stage and most people I have spoken to say he’s an embarrassment to us! If you seriously think other world leaders think highly of him then you need to give your head a wobble!

ClarkeandNewman · 19/06/2026 18:15

Sidebeforeself · 19/06/2026 17:51

I know it was a policy..but what about before that?

Before that there were different policies.

EasternStandard · 19/06/2026 18:14

TemperanceWest · 19/06/2026 18:09

He’ll slide out of view

🎶And he'll dance and drink and screw, because there is nothing else to dooo-oo-oo🎶

Apologies to Jarvis

😂 good song

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 18:13

SadiraOfTyr · 19/06/2026 18:05

Because that’s what the government called it when George Osborne introduced it in 2010. Cameron and Osborne literally referred to it as “the age of austerity”.

20 years ago was 2006. The country had yet to suffer the shock of the Great Recession and was doing pretty damn well.

Yes I believe George Osborne did. But the way Starmer and co use it as a go to line in every weekly PMQs and in interviews is getting extremely boring now. It’s like they have a very limited vocabulary and resort to the same words/ lines over and over again. We are sick of hearing it now.

Don’t get me started on Brown and the recession. 🤦‍♀️

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 18:12

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 17:57

Neither do you! It’s quite laughable seeing you defend a failed MP who everyone wants to see the back of even though he absolutely couldn’t give a shit about you lol

Don't turn it back on me, i'm not the one making sweeping statements that I can't back up.

I still want your evidence that Starmer is "a laughing stock on the world stage".
The more you faff and turn it back on me with insults the more obvious it is that you can't provide any evidence.

soddingspiderseason · 19/06/2026 18:11

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 17:53

Nah makes you look a fool when you’re defending the most popular PM in history. A PM who appoints a paedo pal for a high profile job! Well done to you for tying yourself in knots trying to defend that excuse of a PM👏

Eh? This is Mumsnet not Twitter. People generally make sensible points on here that get discussed and gently argued. Not sure you understand the rules.

RosieHosie · 19/06/2026 18:10

Sidebeforeself · 19/06/2026 18:08

I dont think you read my post correctly. I know very well what the age of austerity means. My point is people are only stopping there when they are looking back.

Is it even 14 years of austerity anyway? Surely all the money spent during covid wasn't austerity?

TemperanceWest · 19/06/2026 18:09

EasternStandard · 19/06/2026 18:03

He’ll slide out of view, it’s not the media either.

He’ll slide out of view

🎶And he'll dance and drink and screw, because there is nothing else to dooo-oo-oo🎶

Apologies to Jarvis

Sidebeforeself · 19/06/2026 18:08

SadiraOfTyr · 19/06/2026 18:05

Because that’s what the government called it when George Osborne introduced it in 2010. Cameron and Osborne literally referred to it as “the age of austerity”.

20 years ago was 2006. The country had yet to suffer the shock of the Great Recession and was doing pretty damn well.

I dont think you read my post correctly. I know very well what the age of austerity means. My point is people are only stopping there when they are looking back.

nomas · 19/06/2026 18:08

Numbchill · 19/06/2026 16:40

He talked about putting apprenticeships first, about putting people not businesses first. We need to put businesses first as they are our only hope of getting out of the dire state we’re in. Do you seriously think Andy has a better plan no one has thought of? Cause I don’t.

Eh? Where do you think those apprentices would work? In BUSINESSES.

The two are linked.

SadiraOfTyr · 19/06/2026 18:05

Sidebeforeself · 19/06/2026 17:46

I always wonder why people default to “14 years of austerity”. Why only draw the line there? I dont remember life being golden , say , 20 years ago.

Because that’s what the government called it when George Osborne introduced it in 2010. Cameron and Osborne literally referred to it as “the age of austerity”.

20 years ago was 2006. The country had yet to suffer the shock of the Great Recession and was doing pretty damn well.

EasternStandard · 19/06/2026 18:03

Sidebeforeself · 19/06/2026 17:56

I think its less about hating Starmer the man, and more being very very frustrated with Starmer the leader.

He’ll slide out of view, it’s not the media either.

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 17:57

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 17:55

You really don't have anything to say do you?

Neither do you! It’s quite laughable seeing you defend a failed MP who everyone wants to see the back of even though he absolutely couldn’t give a shit about you lol

Sidebeforeself · 19/06/2026 17:56

nomas · 19/06/2026 17:55

I don’t think the country does hate Starmer. The media have stiched him up.

I think its less about hating Starmer the man, and more being very very frustrated with Starmer the leader.

nomas · 19/06/2026 17:55

Justthethingsthatyoudointhisgarden · 19/06/2026 17:53

Just so grateful Reform didn't win the by election. They truly are the party of hate mongering and division.

Burnham will be a good PM. Yes, it's a pain to have a new leader but the whole country appears to hate Starmer so it can't go on like this.

I don’t think the country does hate Starmer. The media have stiched him up.

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 17:55

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 17:53

Nah makes you look a fool when you’re defending the most popular PM in history. A PM who appoints a paedo pal for a high profile job! Well done to you for tying yourself in knots trying to defend that excuse of a PM👏

You really don't have anything to say do you?

Flyingintotheunknown · 19/06/2026 17:53

cloudtreecarpet · 19/06/2026 17:52

Again, just words but no hard evidence.
I get you don't like the man but you can't make sweeping statements like that then crumble when asked to back them up - makes you look a bit of a fool rather than him?

Nah makes you look a fool when you’re defending the most popular PM in history. A PM who appoints a paedo pal for a high profile job! Well done to you for tying yourself in knots trying to defend that excuse of a PM👏